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Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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post #6

Pure ragebait, location awareness existed pre-Teams in Lync/Skype/whatever. Sounds like this was written by someone who thinks they're being sneaky by fucking off at work. They already know. Badge swipes and 1000 other ways.

In some places, requesting badge swipe data, security camera data, etc can be very hard, and not in the skill set of some managers.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#12

? I’m not sure who would really care about this feature. We can usually tell based on your background. And the people that have to be in office are tracked typically with badge swipes. And if you’re really that determined to work remote and your company doesn’t support it, wouldn’t it be better just to find a company that does rather than sneaking around?

Reading more about technologies like this it seems to create a unique profile of your usual type and style of usage (clicking, scrolling, typing) which can then be compared against.

Not condoning cheating - the point about just finding another job is it might not be that easy for people depending on what they do, what industry it's in, the number of jobs accessible to them at any given time, or average for those skills.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#13
post #9

> Well, the main thing this brings to mind is an Amazon tactic that emerged after the pandemic. There was a big move to get people back to working in the office, and Amazon staffers who weren't happy with that could change their SSID (home Wi-Fi name) to match the company’s official office network. > Now, do not take this as advice to do the same! It’s highly likely that a more advanced application like Teams has a m…

Yeah I’m here like “what are we even talking about? What company is doing this over just reading badge swipe data?”

I know smaller companies might not have badging systems that can provide such analytics (or badging systems at all), but the Amazon anecdote smells fishy to say the least.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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? I’m not sure who would really care about this feature. We can usually tell based on your background. And the people that have to be in office are tracked typically with badge swipes. And if you’re really that determined to work remote and your company doesn’t support it, wouldn’t it be better just to find a company that does rather than sneaking around?

People with the most in demand skills already are able to do that and companies still are confused why they can't find the skilled labor they desire.

No companies are confused.

Some are doing RTO. Most people are coming back. Some are quitting and finding other jobs. And that’s fine for both parties.

Nobody is sticking it to anybody.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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post #9

> Well, the main thing this brings to mind is an Amazon tactic that emerged after the pandemic. There was a big move to get people back to working in the office, and Amazon staffers who weren't happy with that could change their SSID (home Wi-Fi name) to match the company’s official office network. > Now, do not take this as advice to do the same! It’s highly likely that a more advanced application like Teams has a m…

No. Short of having your workplace install a cryptographic appliance internally on their network, you can spoof anything.

A computer can't know anything except what the environment tells it, and since you control the environment you can tell it whatever you want.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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post #9

> Well, the main thing this brings to mind is an Amazon tactic that emerged after the pandemic. There was a big move to get people back to working in the office, and Amazon staffers who weren't happy with that could change their SSID (home Wi-Fi name) to match the company’s official office network. > Now, do not take this as advice to do the same! It’s highly likely that a more advanced application like Teams has a m…

>Is there any reason you can't spoof literally all of that?

I think that’s what is being insinuated.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#17
One thing I know about Teams is it shows me as not active almost 100% of the time. I have to refresh the page in order to get the green "hey look, I'm working!" icon. On one hand, I don't care...on the other, it's annoying. So I basically never trust that location / status info.

Maybe this is a setup issue within our org, I don't know.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#18
Most EDRs/XDRs already provide this kind of visibility, and most employers have required these installed on employee laptops already.

Reality is, Corp IT has visibility on who is or isn't in the office already, so hyperventilating about Teams adding this capability is moot.

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

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post #9

> Well, the main thing this brings to mind is an Amazon tactic that emerged after the pandemic. There was a big move to get people back to working in the office, and Amazon staffers who weren't happy with that could change their SSID (home Wi-Fi name) to match the company’s official office network. > Now, do not take this as advice to do the same! It’s highly likely that a more advanced application like Teams has a m…

Managers couldn't get badge swipe access but they could get wifi data, so that's what they used to find out who was actually coming into work (people were swiping their badge and leaving, etc)

Re: Microsoft Teams will start tracking office attendance

#20
If you need software to figure out if somebody is in the office, then it isn’t important for them to be in the office.

The supposed benefit of being in the office is because teams work better in person. If everybody else is at the office, it’s obvious who isn’t there.

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