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Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

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Post by karmakaze »

busymom0 wrote: post #10
snug wrote: post #7

Update from the dev: > Unfortunately the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) - and it costs money. > The ad\changelog was supposed to show only on browser restart - i.e. be much less intrusive > The idea behind paid features was also to cover the costs (since donations became smaller than the hosting costs). > I messed up with implementation though. > Sorry. I do feel for the developer, and I am not ant…

> the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) Maybe I am missing something but how does a database which just needs to store video ID and a number become 15TB in size?

It could keep track of each unique dislike. Then maybe the best we can do is use HyperLogLog (or HyperLogLog++ or HyperLogLogLog) per video id.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

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Post by busymom0 »

karmakaze wrote: post #11
busymom0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) Maybe I am missing something but how does a database which just needs to store video ID and a number become 15TB in size?

It could keep track of each unique dislike. Then maybe the best we can do is use HyperLogLog (or HyperLogLog++ or HyperLogLogLog) per video id.

Even if it's tracking each unique dislike, I can't see how it would explode to 15TB of data.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#13

Post by snug »

busymom0 wrote: post #10
snug wrote: post #7

Update from the dev: > Unfortunately the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) - and it costs money. > The ad\changelog was supposed to show only on browser restart - i.e. be much less intrusive > The idea behind paid features was also to cover the costs (since donations became smaller than the hosting costs). > I messed up with implementation though. > Sorry. I do feel for the developer, and I am not ant…

> the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) Maybe I am missing something but how does a database which just needs to store video ID and a number become 15TB in size?

The way the plugin works (in my simplified understanding) is that it guesses how many dislikes there are based on the like/dislike ratio of the people that have the plugin installed. So if 100 people that have the plugin installed and there is a 90/10 like/dislike ratio, and the actual video has 1000 likes, it will say that there are 100 dislikes. Youtube not only took away the dislike UI, but stopped publicly giving the number of dislikes even behind the API.

But even then, the database could not get that big, you'd only need a few simple tables, one that tracks every plugin users like/dislike on the video they stored it on, and then a table that does the aggregations. 15TB sounds crazy.

I'm not a youtuber so idk what content creators could see, but it would have been smarter for them to go after the content creators that have the plugin installed instead of youtube users, not sure why we would care about those kinds of analytics

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#14

Post by snug »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #8

You gotta be a bit short sighted to imagine that the kind of people that would download an extension would accept ads. On the other hand, you also have to be a bit short sighted to be installed gargabage like "an extension so you can downvote" lol.

You can downvote youtube videos without the extension, the extension just shows how many people downvoted a video since youtube took that visibility away a few years ago. It does help when there are shitty video recommendations and can ignore videos that have a bad ratio

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

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Post by jajuuka »

snug wrote: post #13
busymom0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) Maybe I am missing something but how does a database which just needs to store video ID and a number become 15TB in size?

The way the plugin works (in my simplified understanding) is that it guesses how many dislikes there are based on the like/dislike ratio of the people that have the plugin installed. So if 100 people that have the plugin installed and there is a 90/10 like/dislike ratio, and the actual video has 1000 likes, it will say that there are 100 dislikes. Youtube not only took away the dislike UI, but stopped publicly giving…

I wasn't really upset about the removal of the button but this add-on seems superfluous. What benefit does it give users to see how many other users of this extension disliked a video? I would understand if it helped shape your recommendations or home page feed but I'm at a loss here.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#16

Post by bcraven »

jajuuka wrote: post #15
snug wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way the plugin works (in my simplified understanding) is that it guesses how many dislikes there are based on the like/dislike ratio of the people that have the plugin installed. So if 100 people that have the plugin installed and there is a 90/10 like/dislike ratio, and the actual video has 1000 likes, it will say that there are 100 dislikes. Youtube not only took away the dislike UI, but stopped publicly giving…

I wasn't really upset about the removal of the button but this add-on seems superfluous. What benefit does it give users to see how many other users of this extension disliked a video? I would understand if it helped shape your recommendations or home page feed but I'm at a loss here.

Imagine a video is recommended that is for a specific how-to search; if it has a poor rating then you can be confident it's a bad match for your search.

E.g. a plumbing video for fixing a tap with a bad rating is unlikely to actually tell you how to do so.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

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Post by andromedaM31 »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #9
snug wrote: post #7

Update from the dev: > Unfortunately the extension requires quite a large database (~15TB) - and it costs money. > The ad\changelog was supposed to show only on browser restart - i.e. be much less intrusive > The idea behind paid features was also to cover the costs (since donations became smaller than the hosting costs). > I messed up with implementation though. > Sorry. I do feel for the developer, and I am not ant…

I don't feel for the developer. If donations is smaller than hosting costs, just stop putting time into it. It's a stupid gimmick anyway.

I consider it to be more valuable than a "stupid gimmick", even if more in message than in direct utility - it fights to retain peer-voting and crowdsourced evaluation on the quality of online information, which is something that seems to be dwindling away with each passing year.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#18

Post by gdulli »

andromedaM31 wrote: post #17
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't feel for the developer. If donations is smaller than hosting costs, just stop putting time into it. It's a stupid gimmick anyway.

I consider it to be more valuable than a "stupid gimmick", even if more in message than in direct utility - it fights to retain peer-voting and crowdsourced evaluation on the quality of online information, which is something that seems to be dwindling away with each passing year.

I tried to make Twitter and Reddit more usable as they started to enshittify, but after a certain point I realized it was a fundamentally losing battle and gave them up altogether. Those sites were not one or two features away from becoming usable again, the rot was more comprehensive. Today in hindsight, I can see that moving on was the only way to go.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#19

Post by jajuuka »

bcraven wrote: post #16
jajuuka wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't really upset about the removal of the button but this add-on seems superfluous. What benefit does it give users to see how many other users of this extension disliked a video? I would understand if it helped shape your recommendations or home page feed but I'm at a loss here.

Imagine a video is recommended that is for a specific how-to search; if it has a poor rating then you can be confident it's a bad match for your search. E.g. a plumbing video for fixing a tap with a bad rating is unlikely to actually tell you how to do so.

I mean, isn't that the point of comments? I have a hard time believing a video can have high likes and not a single higher up comment countering it. At least in a realistic example like household repair or something. I also tend to skim videos for content as well to verify or find it. So maybe I'm just more diligent than most.

Re: "Return YouTube Dislike" Chrome Extension Injecting Ads

#20

Post by dzaima »

jajuuka wrote: post #19
bcraven wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a video is recommended that is for a specific how-to search; if it has a poor rating then you can be confident it's a bad match for your search. E.g. a plumbing video for fixing a tap with a bad rating is unlikely to actually tell you how to do so.

I mean, isn't that the point of comments? I have a hard time believing a video can have high likes and not a single higher up comment countering it. At least in a realistic example like household repair or something. I also tend to skim videos for content as well to verify or find it. So maybe I'm just more diligent than most.

Video creators can freely delete comments, which makes relying on them for much sketchy.
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