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Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by einsteinx2 »

Leherenn wrote: post #10
einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

Isn't it the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you"? My experience is that the vast majority of people do 0 research (AI assisted or not) before asking questions online. Questions that could have usually been answered in a few seconds if they had tried. If someone preface a question by saying they've done their research but would like validation, then yes it's in incredibly poor taste.

> Isn't it the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you"?

When you put it that way I guess it kind of is.

> If someone preface a question by saying they've done their research but would like validation, then yes it's in incredibly poor taste.

100% agree with you there

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by pavel_lishin »

uberman wrote: post #9
pavel_lishin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that particularly matter in the context of this post? Either way, it sounds like OP was handed homework by the responder, and farming that out to yet another LLM seems kind of pointless, when OP could just ask the LLM for its opinion directly.

While LLM code feedback might be wordy and dubious, I have personally found that asking Claude to review a PR and related feedback to provide some value. From my perspective anyways, Claude seems able to cut through the BS and say if a recommendation is worth the squeeze or in what contexts the feedback has merit or is just pedantic. Of course, your mileage my vary as they say.

Sure. But again, that's not what OP's post is about.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by noir_lord »

einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

To modifying a hitchism.

> What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Becomes

> That which can be asserted without thought can be dismissed without thought.

Since no current AI thinks but humans do I’m just going to dismiss anything an AI says out of hand because you are pushing the cost of parsing what it said onto me and off you and nah, ain’t accepting that.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by nitwit005 »

Leherenn wrote: post #10
einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

Isn't it the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you"? My experience is that the vast majority of people do 0 research (AI assisted or not) before asking questions online. Questions that could have usually been answered in a few seconds if they had tried. If someone preface a question by saying they've done their research but would like validation, then yes it's in incredibly poor taste.

There's seemingly a difference in motive. The people sharing AI responses seem to be from people fascinated by AI generally, and want to share the response.

The "let me Google that for you" was more trying to get people to look up trivial things on their own, rather than query some forum repeatedly.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by StrandedKitty »

minimaxir wrote: post #6
einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

The irony is that the disclosure of “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” is done as a courtesy to let the reader be informed. Given the increasing backlash against that disclosure, people will just stop disclosing which is worse for everyone. The only workaround is to just text as-is and call it out when it's wrong/bad, AI-generated or otherwise, as we've done before 2023.

I think it's fine to not disclose it. Like, don't you find "Sent from my iPhone" that iPhones automatically add to emails annoying? Technicalities like that don't bring anything to the conversation.

I think typically, the reason people are disclosing their usage of LLMs is that they want offload responsibility. To me it's important to see them taking responsibility for their words. You wouldn't blame Google for bad search results, would you? You can only blame the entity that you can actually influence.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by thousand_nights »

nitwit005 wrote: post #14
Leherenn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it the modern equivalent of "let me Google that for you"? My experience is that the vast majority of people do 0 research (AI assisted or not) before asking questions online. Questions that could have usually been answered in a few seconds if they had tried. If someone preface a question by saying they've done their research but would like validation, then yes it's in incredibly poor taste.

There's seemingly a difference in motive. The people sharing AI responses seem to be from people fascinated by AI generally, and want to share the response. The "let me Google that for you" was more trying to get people to look up trivial things on their own, rather than query some forum repeatedly.

exactly, the "i asked chatgpt" people give off 'im helping' vibes but in reality they are just annoying and clogging up the internet with spam that nobody asked for

they're more clueless than condescending

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by spot5010 »

The scenario the author describes is bound to happen more and more frequently, and IMO the way to address it is by evolving the culture and best practices for code reviews.

A simple solution would be to mandate that while posting coversations with AI in PR comments is fine, all actions and suggested changes should be human generated.

They human generated actions can’t be a lazy: “Please look at AI suggestion and incorporate as appropriate. ”, or “what do you think about this AI suggestion”.

Acceptable comments could be: - I agree with the AI for xyz reasons, please fix. - I thought about AIs suggestions, and here’s the pros and cons. Based on that I feel we should make xyz changes for abc reasons.

If these best practices are documented, and the reviewer does not follow them, the PR author can simply link to the best practices and kindly ask the reviewer to re-review.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by globular-toast »

einsteinx2 wrote: post #3

I’ve noticed this trend in comments across the internet. Someone will ask or say something, the someone else will reply with “I asked ChatGPT and it says…” or “According to AI…” ChatGPT is free and available to everyone, and so are a dozen other LLMs. If the person making the comment wanted to know what ChatGPT had to say, they could just ask it themselves. I guess people feel like they’re being helpful, but I just d…

It must be the randomness built into LLMs that makes people think it's something worth sharing. I guess it's no different from sharing a cool Minecraft map with your friends or something. The difference is Minecraft is fun, reading LLM content is not.

Re: "ChatGPT said this" Is Lazy

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Post by globular-toast »

It's kinda hilarious to watch people make themselves redundant. Like you're essentially saying "you don't need me, you could have just asked ChatGPT for a review".

I wrote before about just sending me the prompt[0], but if your prompt is literally my code then I don't need you at all.

[0] https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/just-send-me-the-prompt/

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