Maybe in another 10 years, he'll have managed to lay hands on the elusive 64-bit computer.
I’ll Give MongoDB Another Try In Ten Years
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#12It's pretty incredible that the author of a post called "I’ll Give MongoDB Another Try. In Ten Years." criticises a comment on this same post telling him to read the tutorial all the way through as "unnecessarily aggressive".
Aside from that, though, the 32 bit limitation is clear in the documentation and present on the download page. It's fine not to read the documentation before you use something but you can't then complain that it did something you did not expect. Mongodb is a little different from other databases. So is Redis. You can't blow everything off that is conceptually different.
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#13Not reading the documentation (or hell, the red "note" text under each 32 bit download link at http://www.mongodb.org/downloads ) for basic limitations will bite you in the ass in 2022 just as easily as it will in 2012.
Except that it was hidden deeply in the documentation. It's like making a car that has the gas and brake pedals switched, and then blaming accidents on people not reading section 5 of the owner's manual. I'm hardly an inexperienced programmer. I've used Cassandra, SimpleDB, Voldemort, etc. I wrote part of the Inktomi Search Engine in the 90s, and plenty of (what today would be called) NoSQL stores over the years. A d…
As the OP points out the limit is pretty clearly specified on the download page and there's a "note" linking to the limit right next to where it says "32-bit".
Sometimes you just have to admit you screwed up and didn't read the documentation. Everyone does it, we're hackers, we'd much rather play with technology than read docs.
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that it was hidden deeply in the documentation. It's like making a car that has the gas and brake pedals switched, and then blaming accidents on people not reading section 5 of the owner's manual. I'm hardly an inexperienced programmer. I've used Cassandra, SimpleDB, Voldemort, etc. I wrote part of the Inktomi Search Engine in the 90s, and plenty of (what today would be called) NoSQL stores over the years. A d…
It's on the download page. http://www.mongodb.org/downloads
I installed it through Ubuntu (apt-get). Most people must (or should) be installing MongoDB through a package manager. Once again, assuming that people will see the warning because it's on the download page is shortsighted.
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#15Interesting that you're quoting the zen of python, but using ruby. I wonder if the python mongo client would have the same behaviour.
There seems to be a number of people commenting, telling you to read the documentation, but I'm with you, that is completely counter-intuitive behaviour and should be viewed as a bug.
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#16I'm a pretty big detractor of mongo, but I don't agree with this post. One of mongo's main design decisions is to defer writes, making this sort of thing possible. I think it's a crappy tradeoff but it is one of the things that makes mongodb mongodb. If you use it without knowing this you haven't researched it well.
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#17Just read the documentation and learn the APIs, this is what happens when you just copy and paste code from a tutorial.
This type of attitude is not constructive. Of course I read the documentation. Much more than "copy and paste from the tutorial." I looked at tons of code samples as needed, read blog posts, etc. The limitation wasn't obvious at all. This reminds me of the attitude that I had to correct in developers that worked for me: - There is a huge difference between "it works" and "it does what the user expects in a friendly w…
In the time you've spent defending yourself here and on your blog, you could have learned how to use MongoDB properly, or just gone and bought a 64-bit computer.
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#18It's pretty incredible that the author of a post called "I’ll Give MongoDB Another Try. In Ten Years." criticises a comment on this same post telling him to read the tutorial all the way through as "unnecessarily aggressive". Aside from that, though, the 32 bit limitation is clear in the documentation and present on the download page. It's fine not to read the documentation before you use something but you can't then…
See my comment below. If you use a package manager you never see the warning.
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#19While this article is a bit flippant, I think ten years is a pretty good number when you consider the vast amount of engineering effort that has already been poured into projects like Postgres.
This brings me back to the recent discussion about reading other people's code: it is almost certainly smarter to extend an existing database until it's capable of meeting your needs, rather than write one from scratch.
The fact that many programmers don't see it that way is a testament to their irrational fear of diving into other people's code.
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#20I used MongoDB one afternoon, and guess what! It doesn't have table-locking writes?! :) In all seriousness, I built a 10 machine Mongo cluster, talked with a 10gen consultant a full day, went to Mongo meetup, and ran all sorts of benchmarks before ever using it in production. I still don't feel like I have the expertise to write a snarky blog post about it.
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