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Re: RMS Lifestyle

#11

Post by krapp »

bijant wrote: post #10
reverius42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my. Now I wonder if Stallman is in the Epstein files. (Release the Epstein files!)

He was making a valid philosophical point in order to defend the legacy of his late best friend and mentor who did not get a chance to defend himself and got caught up in the Epstein drama. It's human and understandable and the political equivalent of offing yourself. Stallman never much cared for other peoples opinions or (office) politics. While the secrecy surrounding the Epstein files makes it impossible to know…

>personally I do not think he has any actual interest in sexual reproduction and would not waste his time interacting with people that do not actively work in GNU / Free Software

I'm getting my one lick in because I know litigating this will be futile, people will defend RMS to the bitter end regardless of what he says or does, and I'll probably just be flagged for my trouble.

RMS blogged many times over many years about his beliefs that child pornography and pedophilia should be legal and socially acceptable. He also has a history of creepy behavior around women. He clearly is not asexual.

If RMS wasn't a part of Epstein's shit, it's only because he wasn't sociable enough to fit in with that crowd, not because he wouldn't be into it.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#12

Post by presbyterian »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #9
reverius42 wrote: post #3

I can't stand his use of "c...rap" to describe rap/hip-hop. This is like the "Micro$oft" of musical genre hatred (and frankly comes across as slightly, um, racist? given his embrace of like every other genre in the world besides "harsh" rock/metal).

I actually agree with his conclusion. In my experience, rap is the only(?) genre of "music" that for the most part lacks a melodic structure. It (in my experience) is mostly rhythmic, which IMO is not very pleasant to listen to, because there isn't much to listen to. So while maybe I wouldn't refer to it as c...rap all the time, I think the phrase mostly expresses my feelings about the genre as a whole.

I feel like the people who say this simply haven’t listened to much of it, because there’s melody all over rap and hip-hop music, especially more contemporary rap.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#13

Post by vehemenz »

reverius42 wrote: post #3

I can't stand his use of "c...rap" to describe rap/hip-hop. This is like the "Micro$oft" of musical genre hatred (and frankly comes across as slightly, um, racist? given his embrace of like every other genre in the world besides "harsh" rock/metal).

The ethos of rap music isn’t like the others. It’s not about musicality. I don’t know who it appeals to, but like RMS, I find it repulsive.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#14

Post by soupy-soup »

bijant wrote: post #10
reverius42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my. Now I wonder if Stallman is in the Epstein files. (Release the Epstein files!)

He was making a valid philosophical point in order to defend the legacy of his late best friend and mentor who did not get a chance to defend himself and got caught up in the Epstein drama. It's human and understandable and the political equivalent of offing yourself. Stallman never much cared for other peoples opinions or (office) politics. While the secrecy surrounding the Epstein files makes it impossible to know…

Reading through those quotes, I get the impression that Stallman doesn't understand why underaged people can't give consent to people considered adults by the legal system. It falls in line with his other misunderstandings or lack of awareness on social issues.

He's right that young people have agency and can make informed decisions about themselves, but fails to recognize the social pressures that means that young people often aren't in a position to say no, or even understand that they can can say no. There are financial, social, and even legal power imbalances between minors and non-minors that make it impossible to assert that certain interactions are consentual, even if they aren't of a sexual nature. It's these power imbalances that are the issue, not whether or not a young person has enough factually to understand what they are consenting to. Interactions like this are abuses of the power that adults have over children, and that's a big part of what makes them so disturbing.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#15

Post by justusthane »

bijant wrote: post #10
reverius42 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my. Now I wonder if Stallman is in the Epstein files. (Release the Epstein files!)

He was making a valid philosophical point in order to defend the legacy of his late best friend and mentor who did not get a chance to defend himself and got caught up in the Epstein drama. It's human and understandable and the political equivalent of offing yourself. Stallman never much cared for other peoples opinions or (office) politics. While the secrecy surrounding the Epstein files makes it impossible to know…

If you think that’s just about defending a friend, than I think you haven’t read enough of the quotes on that page.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#17

Post by bfkwlfkjf »

dingnuts wrote: post #6
reverius42 wrote: post #3

I can't stand his use of "c...rap" to describe rap/hip-hop. This is like the "Micro$oft" of musical genre hatred (and frankly comes across as slightly, um, racist? given his embrace of like every other genre in the world besides "harsh" rock/metal).

he's not like us https://stallman-report.org/on-sex-with-minors/

> The injustice [done to Minsky] is in the word “assaulting”. The term “sexual assault” is so vague and slippery that it facilitates accusation inflation: taking claims that someone did X and leading people to think of it as Y, which is much worse than X. (…)

> The word “assaulting” presumes that he applied force or violence, in some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing. Only that they had sex.

> We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.

> I’ve concluded from various examples of accusation inflation that it is absolutely wrong to use the term “sexual assault” in an accusation.

This seems a very reasonable thing to say. Also useful concept "accusation inflation" thanks for linking.

> "sex with someone under 18 is rape”, “sex with a prostitute under 18 is enslavement”, and “making a nude photo of someone under 18 is a sexual assault.”

What is happening here is law being repurposed. Rape already has big sentences, and we want to give under 18s extra protections, so let's redefine what the word rape means so we can reuse the rape law.

> Efforts against the business of making and distributing images of that are justified — but these must not be done by dangerous methods.

Dangerous methods meaning redefining words.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#18

Post by gitaarik »

reverius42 wrote: post #3

I can't stand his use of "c...rap" to describe rap/hip-hop. This is like the "Micro$oft" of musical genre hatred (and frankly comes across as slightly, um, racist? given his embrace of like every other genre in the world besides "harsh" rock/metal).

I always got the feeling with rap and hip hop that it's more about the style and how cool you are than it is about the music.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#19

Post by 1718627440 »

soupy-soup wrote: post #14
bijant wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was making a valid philosophical point in order to defend the legacy of his late best friend and mentor who did not get a chance to defend himself and got caught up in the Epstein drama. It's human and understandable and the political equivalent of offing yourself. Stallman never much cared for other peoples opinions or (office) politics. While the secrecy surrounding the Epstein files makes it impossible to know…

Reading through those quotes, I get the impression that Stallman doesn't understand why underaged people can't give consent to people considered adults by the legal system. It falls in line with his other misunderstandings or lack of awareness on social issues. He's right that young people have agency and can make informed decisions about themselves, but fails to recognize the social pressures that means that young p…

This can also apply to persons above the legal age.

Re: RMS Lifestyle

#20

Post by bijant »

krapp wrote: post #11
bijant wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was making a valid philosophical point in order to defend the legacy of his late best friend and mentor who did not get a chance to defend himself and got caught up in the Epstein drama. It's human and understandable and the political equivalent of offing yourself. Stallman never much cared for other peoples opinions or (office) politics. While the secrecy surrounding the Epstein files makes it impossible to know…

>personally I do not think he has any actual interest in sexual reproduction and would not waste his time interacting with people that do not actively work in GNU / Free Software I'm getting my one lick in because I know litigating this will be futile, people will defend RMS to the bitter end regardless of what he says or does, and I'll probably just be flagged for my trouble. RMS blogged many times over many years a…

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