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Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

berkes wrote: post #8

The whole "AI revolution" feels distopian opposite from what I'd naively thought it would do. My ideal would be a world in which boring, heavy, dangerous, etc work is replaced by machines. Giving humans time and opportunity to pursue creative, fun, stimulating or intellectually challenging tasks. In which only legit people, and never spammers or scammers get me on the phone. Where I don't have to juggle appointments,…

“I want my AI to do dishes and laundry so I can draw, code, write. Not for it to draw, code, write so I can do dishes and laundry”.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by lotsofpulp »

shironandonon_ wrote: post #5

in most regions Uber drivers are being paid an hourly wage so yeah I think this makes sense. They can answer support calls too. Despite getting an Uber hourly wage many game the system by taking DoorDash and Lyft orders while on the job. Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours?

>in most regions Uber drivers are being paid an hourly wage so yeah I think this makes sense.

I did not know this. Is this verifiable? I thought the whole reason Uber and other “gig” businesses work is because they can pay piecemeal and not have people classified as employees. There were multiple high profile court cases and even attempts to legislate that Uber drivers are employees, but I believe in the US they are still independent contractors, hence they can work for whoever they want, whenever they want.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

petre wrote: post #9
sokoloff wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to pay someone to do something employ them. There is a purpose for casual/contract labor. If I want my lawn mowed, some basement junk hauled away, or my house painted, I want someone on contract/gig to do something for me, but I sure don’t want to hire an employee. How that person chooses to relate to an employer (whether to be self-employed or work for someone else) is their business, not a concern of…

Is there an Uber for lawn mowing?

Maybe taskrabbit can cover this.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #11
berkes wrote: post #8

The whole "AI revolution" feels distopian opposite from what I'd naively thought it would do. My ideal would be a world in which boring, heavy, dangerous, etc work is replaced by machines. Giving humans time and opportunity to pursue creative, fun, stimulating or intellectually challenging tasks. In which only legit people, and never spammers or scammers get me on the phone. Where I don't have to juggle appointments,…

“I want my AI to do dishes and laundry so I can draw, code, write. Not for it to draw, code, write so I can do dishes and laundry”.

>I want my AI to do dishes and laundry

You mean a washing machine and a dish washer?

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by lotsofpulp »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #11
berkes wrote: post #8

The whole "AI revolution" feels distopian opposite from what I'd naively thought it would do. My ideal would be a world in which boring, heavy, dangerous, etc work is replaced by machines. Giving humans time and opportunity to pursue creative, fun, stimulating or intellectually challenging tasks. In which only legit people, and never spammers or scammers get me on the phone. Where I don't have to juggle appointments,…

“I want my AI to do dishes and laundry so I can draw, code, write. Not for it to draw, code, write so I can do dishes and laundry”.

Pretty wishful thinking to think software and hardware is advanced enough to figure out very advanced materials science and physics to do those tasks requiring manipulation of objects in the real world.

Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn’t, but manipulating digital output seems like a step that would come before manipulating real world objects.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by FredPret »

sokoloff wrote: post #6
constantcrying wrote: post #4

Somebody really needs to put a stop to what Uber and the like are doing. They are doing their best to destroy basic labor protections, by circumventing employing their workers. Why are countries just allowing them to clown on established worker protections? If you want to pay someone to do something employ them . The roll out of the gig economy is only viable because it allows companies to push costs on to the labor…

> If you want to pay someone to do something employ them. There is a purpose for casual/contract labor. If I want my lawn mowed, some basement junk hauled away, or my house painted, I want someone on contract/gig to do something for me, but I sure don’t want to hire an employee. How that person chooses to relate to an employer (whether to be self-employed or work for someone else) is their business, not a concern of…

In addition to your very good points: an economy of people who take this live-and-let-live view is going to be far more flexible and efficient in different scenarios.

An economy made up of people who think it proper to make entire classes of employment like gig work (or work that pays under a certain minimum wage) illegal is not only interfering in the decisions of adults, but can only prosper under the exact set of circumstances those people consider ideal.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by cookiengineer »

shironandonon_ wrote: post #5

in most regions Uber drivers are being paid an hourly wage so yeah I think this makes sense. They can answer support calls too. Despite getting an Uber hourly wage many game the system by taking DoorDash and Lyft orders while on the job. Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours?

> Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours?

That argument goes both ways:

Should your employer be able to have you on an exclusive contract with a salary so low that you cannot pay your own bills?

Probably not.

The fallacy in your argument is that you're assuming that people like to work. They don't, they do it out of necessity.

Re: Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road

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Post by JKCalhoun »

shironandonon_ wrote: post #5

in most regions Uber drivers are being paid an hourly wage so yeah I think this makes sense. They can answer support calls too. Despite getting an Uber hourly wage many game the system by taking DoorDash and Lyft orders while on the job. Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours?

"Game the system", ha ha. Pretty sure "employers" that push for a gig economy are doing a bit of gaming themselves. Unionless, benefitless, interchangeable employees…
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