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Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Rather than teaching your robot to fold inside-out clothes, you should teach it to attack people who put their clothes in the hamper inside out.

I think my shirts just automatically get inside-outted in my washer/dryer? I certainly don’t put them in that way, and it seems like I spend a lot of righting them when putting away laundry.

Try putting some in inside-out and seeing if they get turned outside-out.

I’m also curious which device does it!

We should work this out, and also we will need a lot of robots to go after the manufacturer.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Hey Hacker News. Curious if folks feel like I'm missing categories of challenge.

Maybe careful application of large amounts of force? Opening a jar, peeling garlic, splitting a squash, opening a soda can. This category seems like a good test of "grip" strength + force feedback + sense of touch.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Interesting post and great reference to [1] about why laundry hits a sweet spot of capability. Interestingly the repeated critiques in the article are about sensor richness: primarily force feedback and tactility, which indicates lacking hardware. Software only robotics has a long and fraught history, but it really feels to me that current industrial hardware could be driven more intelligently without much change. No…

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Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Hey Hacker News. Curious if folks feel like I'm missing categories of challenge.

I like these benchmarks and the videos are funny!

Consider examples using building tools like screwing in a drywall screw, or hammering a nail, using a paint roller, caulking a sink, minor plumbing repair with a torch and solder. These differ enough in terms of forces, state changes, and combined dexterity/acuity (two-handed proprioception) from the windex, sandwich and key examples

Ikea product assembly for gold medal.

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Hey Hacker News. Curious if folks feel like I'm missing categories of challenge.

I'd go for something in the manipulation of ropes or wires.

State of the art seems to be that they can untangle a loosely knotted cord.

Untying a short rope with a tightly pulled overhand knot in the middle seems like it's decades away. You have to be able to grip it well enough, then twist the rope and push (even though every physicist says pushing a rope is impossible).

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Rather than teaching your robot to fold inside-out clothes, you should teach it to attack people who put their clothes in the hamper inside out.

I've seen suggestions that having your clothes inside out in the wash helps them get cleaner. And if it keeps the AIs under control, you know, benefits.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Here's a use case that seems more science fictional to me (as the parent of a 2yo) than warp drive: a robot that can gently restrain an uncooperative human baby while changing its diaper, with everything that entails: identifying and eliminating all traces of waste from all crevices, applying diaper cream as necessary, unfolding and positioning the new diaper correctly and quickly, always using enough but never too much force... not to mention the nightmare of providing any guarantees about safety at mass-market scale. Even one maimed baby, or even just a baby some robot neglects to prevent from falling off the changing table, is game over for that line of robots.

Is there any research program that could claim to tackle this? It's so far beyond folding laundry and doing dishes, which are already quite difficult.

I wouldn't bet my life on this tech _never_ materializing, but I would mistrust anyone who claimed it was feasible with today's tech. It calls for an entirely different kind of robotic perception, feedback, and control.

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