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Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by arjunnarayan »

shreyansj wrote: post #9
arjunnarayan wrote: post #7

Degrees granted to me in the US: B.A., M.Eng, and soon, Ph.D. Estimated cost of educating me paid for in entirety by American individuals (Private+Government): $600,000. Chances of me getting to stay in the US: Scenario 1: I get a tenure track job at an R-1 University, and I am exempt from the H1-B cap. The subsequent waiting time for my green card application is not long as I will be able to apply under the EB-1 tra…

Your probability for Scenario 2 is very low to almost nil. Why is that. You are aiming for R-1 university but you are not confident of getting into MSR etc? And you can still switch jobs while your Green Card application is pending. I think it's called AC21 though I am not exactly sure on the exact terminology. On a side note, H1-B is cap exempt for ALL educational institutes and non-profit organizations.

1. The probability is low because the chance that I take it up is lower (these are two-sided decision processes).

2. The H1-B cap is not the issue. It is the green card line. Since I am from India (note: this would also apply to China) the wait is extremely long.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by arjunnarayan »

grouma wrote: post #10
arjunnarayan wrote: post #7

Degrees granted to me in the US: B.A., M.Eng, and soon, Ph.D. Estimated cost of educating me paid for in entirety by American individuals (Private+Government): $600,000. Chances of me getting to stay in the US: Scenario 1: I get a tenure track job at an R-1 University, and I am exempt from the H1-B cap. The subsequent waiting time for my green card application is not long as I will be able to apply under the EB-1 tra…

I can't remember which TED talk I saw but they discussed this very issue. It's alarming to think one of America's biggest export is Master/PhD students.

According to this article[1], 46% of American PhDs in science and engineering were awarded to foreigners in 2007. For 2011, I've heard 52%, but I can't locate the source.

[1] http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870490560457502...

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by tatsuke95 »

grouma wrote: post #5
tatsuke95 wrote: post #4

> "Although I am Canadian I spent my middle school and high school years in Raleigh, NC" > "After I graduated from McGill in June" Curious, did you pay out-of-country tuition rates to attend school here? I hope so, considering you didn't live, nor plan to work here. Keeping in mind that all I have to go on is this little tale, I ask because it seems like you (and your family) have done a lot of walking through the gr…

I did not pay out-of-country tuition rates. I did have to pay out-of-province tuition rates though. (McGill is located in Quebec, Canada). I also applied to various NC universities and I would have had to pay out-of-country tuition rates.

On a personal level, I feel bad that your best laid plans were crushed.

But from an outsider's perspective, I'm not shocked that, eventually, someone stopped you and said, "Not all is as it seems here." It's a tough economic climate out there, and people tend to get defensive when it comes to jobs.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by ktizo »

tatsuke95 wrote: post #4

> "Although I am Canadian I spent my middle school and high school years in Raleigh, NC" > "After I graduated from McGill in June" Curious, did you pay out-of-country tuition rates to attend school here? I hope so, considering you didn't live, nor plan to work here. Keeping in mind that all I have to go on is this little tale, I ask because it seems like you (and your family) have done a lot of walking through the gr…

Yes, how dare he go to school in the US while his mother was working there. Absolutely despicable. I mean, it is one thing for foreigners to try and steal all those cushy nursing jobs, but to have the gall to bring their kids along and above all expect that some of their tax contributions should go towards teaching them to read and stuff, well, obviously the world has gone communist.

And then to go back to Canada and go to university there after sucking the US dry of the words and numbers he stole with his brain while at school. Well that just beggars belief. That is exporting the intellectual property of the US school system to a foreign power, partly made of people who speak French. French! The language of terror.

There are those who will stand by you, in this, your bravest moment, although they may want to bring a stepladder and a drysuit to do so, as you do appear to be waist deep in your own shit.

[edit] Just read the edit, and I am relieved to hear that you are making a strong stand against the pernicious stereotype of Canadians being fairly reasonable people on the whole.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by neilk »

shreyansj wrote: post #9
arjunnarayan wrote: post #7

Degrees granted to me in the US: B.A., M.Eng, and soon, Ph.D. Estimated cost of educating me paid for in entirety by American individuals (Private+Government): $600,000. Chances of me getting to stay in the US: Scenario 1: I get a tenure track job at an R-1 University, and I am exempt from the H1-B cap. The subsequent waiting time for my green card application is not long as I will be able to apply under the EB-1 tra…

Your probability for Scenario 2 is very low to almost nil. Why is that. You are aiming for R-1 university but you are not confident of getting into MSR etc? And you can still switch jobs while your Green Card application is pending. I think it's called AC21 though I am not exactly sure on the exact terminology. On a side note, H1-B is cap exempt for ALL educational institutes and non-profit organizations.

You cannot switch jobs and keep the same Green Card application. It's true you can transfer an H-1B between employers but any associated Green Card application is lost if you leave them.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by bosch »

tatsuke95 wrote: post #4

> "Although I am Canadian I spent my middle school and high school years in Raleigh, NC" > "After I graduated from McGill in June" Curious, did you pay out-of-country tuition rates to attend school here? I hope so, considering you didn't live, nor plan to work here. Keeping in mind that all I have to go on is this little tale, I ask because it seems like you (and your family) have done a lot of walking through the gr…

I don't understand why people are down voting this comment. It seems like the OP is a "citizen of convenience" like those in Lebanon who only wanted to make use of their Canadian citizenship when war broke out despite the fact that some of them hadn't been back to Canada in 5+ years.

Not that this really has a place in the main discussion, although it does involve citizenship in a different way.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by bosch »

ktizo wrote: post #14
tatsuke95 wrote: post #4

> "Although I am Canadian I spent my middle school and high school years in Raleigh, NC" > "After I graduated from McGill in June" Curious, did you pay out-of-country tuition rates to attend school here? I hope so, considering you didn't live, nor plan to work here. Keeping in mind that all I have to go on is this little tale, I ask because it seems like you (and your family) have done a lot of walking through the gr…

Yes, how dare he go to school in the US while his mother was working there. Absolutely despicable. I mean, it is one thing for foreigners to try and steal all those cushy nursing jobs, but to have the gall to bring their kids along and above all expect that some of their tax contributions should go towards teaching them to read and stuff, well, obviously the world has gone communist. And then to go back to Canada and…

Your comment doesn't add any value to the discussion, nor is it a very good attempt at humour. What the parent is trying to say is that the OP is coming back to take advantage of a tax payer funded institution even though he doesn't plan on working in the country. If you disagree with his views perhaps you should work on rephrasing your comment.

Re: Immigration Issues for a Canadian working for Microsoft

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Post by tatsuke95 »

ktizo wrote: post #14
tatsuke95 wrote: post #4

> "Although I am Canadian I spent my middle school and high school years in Raleigh, NC" > "After I graduated from McGill in June" Curious, did you pay out-of-country tuition rates to attend school here? I hope so, considering you didn't live, nor plan to work here. Keeping in mind that all I have to go on is this little tale, I ask because it seems like you (and your family) have done a lot of walking through the gr…

Yes, how dare he go to school in the US while his mother was working there. Absolutely despicable. I mean, it is one thing for foreigners to try and steal all those cushy nursing jobs, but to have the gall to bring their kids along and above all expect that some of their tax contributions should go towards teaching them to read and stuff, well, obviously the world has gone communist. And then to go back to Canada and…

>"Yes, how dare he go to school in the US while his mother was working there."

Pull out as many straw-men as you want, big guy. I said nothing of the sort. Great tirade though.

>"And then to go back to Canada and go to university there"

I'm going to assume that you're not Canadian, since you seem to have no idea how this works. I don't care that he came back to this country to go to University. It's something we actively promote here. In fact, I worked part-time during my undergrad for an international students club, where part of the mandate was to help foreign students integrate into Canadian life. It wasn't as serious as it sounds, my job was mostly going to Spitfires games.

I do care that he came back here to take advantage of tax-dollar subsidized tuition. Huge subsidies. Some might even say controversial subsidies, that I support. You know, subsidies meant to go to tax-paying Canadians. It's a broken system that allows that to happen, and I'll stand behind trying to close loop holes that allow people to take advantage of it.

>"There are those who will stand by you, in this, your bravest moment, although they may want to bring a stepladder and a drysuit to do so, as you do appear to be waist deep in your own shit."

There's a certain irony to being lectured about open borders and minds by an American. If you're really upset about this nonsense, there are probably some local organizations and lobby groups where you can focus your rage. Rather than, you know, at some guy on the internet who doesn't remotely support things you accuse him of.

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