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ICE-tracking app developers aren’t giving up

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Re: ICE-tracking app developers aren’t giving up

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

bigyabai wrote: post #5
leakycap wrote: post #2

Tim Cook has lost all credibility after his kowtowing to the trump administration. Apple needs a new leader, and not the guy who sheepishly launched the $999 monitor stand. It's hard to escape using Apple devices, but the company's actions under trump have made me into a consumer open to other options. If the Apple phone and the Chinese-brand are both going to bow to their respective authoritarian government, it make…

I don't know where people got the impression that Apple seriously resisted government coercion. Their company is right there in the PRISM leaks, and Senator Wyden called them out (alongside Google) on backdooring Push Notifications years ago. Didn't people want Apple's thoughtful, executive curation? If you're still not switching phones, what gives? Apple won this fight years ago, I'm shocked that we only now see peo…

Switch phones to what? A company whose entire business model is tracking and selling ads that also took the app offline?

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Post by Krasnol »

leakycap wrote: post #7
bigyabai wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where people got the impression that Apple seriously resisted government coercion. Their company is right there in the PRISM leaks, and Senator Wyden called them out (alongside Google) on backdooring Push Notifications years ago. Didn't people want Apple's thoughtful, executive curation? If you're still not switching phones, what gives? Apple won this fight years ago, I'm shocked that we only now see peo…

> I don't know where people got the impression that Apple seriously resisted government coercion I think it was either the way they added the two-button passcode lock that can be done without pulling the phone out of your pocket, the San Bernardino Shooter's iPhone (2016), Apple's resistance to the UK's backdoor requirement in ADP, or maybe when they wouldn't unlock the Pensacola Shooter's iPhone (2019), Apple's meth…

You know you're lost if the main argument is a whataboutism.

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

tfwnopmt wrote: post #4

Why not make a PWA? What does a full app offer that a PWA can't?

> To maintain anonymity and store zero user data, there is and can be no web app version of ICEBlock. There is and can be no Android version. Only iOS supports the security and privacy features for ICEBlock to offer what it does, the way it does.

I don't know if that's true but that's their claim

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Post by resters »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #16

Why does anything remotely critical of Trumps fascist regime get [flagged] on Hacker News ?

Probably fear of retribution or Garry being politically conservative himself. Garry has repeatedly called for more authoritarian policing in the SF area.

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Post by mieses »

k310 wrote: post #8

Do not obey in advance Historian Timothy Snyder’s first lesson in his book On Tyranny is “Do not obey in advance.” To obey a tyrant before you are compelled to do so teaches them what they will be able to get you to do, easily, without even needing to expend the resources and energy it takes to carry out that part of their agenda.

I like this tactic - when my enemy is using it.

People vs tyrant thinking ignores the world beyond your bubble (your borders). Elegant in theory but impractical.

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