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Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Post by its-summertime »

One shouldn't sponsor because of how they see the world today. They should sponsor because of how they want the world to be tomorrow.

edit: And I'm pretty sure a minutely modified distro doesn't need this amount of donations at this point. It is not having a positive effect on the ecosystem to have so many donations to the most downstream project. All I can feel about this is, at its best, its buying attention through DHH's pre-existing influence. This does not seem to be a great thing to buy at this point.

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Post by bo0tzz »

vovavili wrote: post #9
bo0tzz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything is political, especially something like the open source world (explicitly). Trying to hide from politics is just naivety and gives space to bad actors.

This kind of attitude comes hand-to-hand with performative virtue signalling. Minimizing the extent of political involvement makes any hobby or interest infinitely more enjoyable and less toxic, and I find it regrettable that people are less able to engage in communities centered around technology without flaunting their political tribal allegiances.

I agree that if people were able to keep their hate out of these spaces they would be much more pleasant for people to engage in.

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Post by bbg2401 »

freetonik wrote: post #7
bbg2401 wrote: post #6

It’s time we start ignoring the lunacy from the fringes of society. Nothing good comes from indulging the psychopathic lust for control on display from these types of people.

What are you referring to here? The starters of the linked discussion? Or the subjects of that discussion?

I'm referring to the far right ramblings of DHH supporting political figures who are associated solely with violence and intolerance.

I'm referring to the far left activists who have developed a habit of coercing individuals, organizations and communities, sometimes with threats of physical escalation, for perceived connections to other political fringes.

I'm referring to those using language along the lines of "they have hitler particles in them".

I'm referring to tech journalists who do nothing except whine about left wing politics, however benign.

It's mind melting.

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Edit: To add colour to the final reference, the same journalist who attacked Framework for issuing Pride stickers is now coming to their defence. It's predictable, it's unproductive, and it should be filtered by anyone who values their time.

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Post by bbg2401 »

xqcgrek2 wrote: post #8

They're free to support Nazis, I'm free to not buy their product. Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.

It is a false statement to claim that they are supporting Nazis.

Did you take exception to the company prior to this controversy? After all, they use manufacturing plants in a country which blends far right and far left political ideas concepts quite openly.

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Post by aeon_ai »

mhitza wrote: post #16
aeon_ai wrote: post #10

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> Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices What's backing this claim?

Anecdata - But I feel confident in it. If you join the Omarchy discord, people regularly cite buying either a Framework or a Beelink, with a lean towards the former, to put Omarchy on.

I tend to presume that the creator/consumer rule applies, and that for every one person that says it out loud, there are 9 others who are doing the same thing silently.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

aeon_ai wrote: post #10

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But also, more recently, there are very loud voices labeling everything left of "far right" as "extreme radical leftist".

And, yeah, I'm with your second paragraph. I think much of the country thinks that illegal immigration is a problem, and also thinks that Trump's enforcement of it has been unreasonably brutal and cruel. And a bunch of them think that trans people don't belong on womens' sports teams and that kids shouldn't transition, and also think that trans people don't deserve to be beaten and killed for being trans. And a bunch of them think that wealth inequality is a real problem, and also are deeply skeptical of the proposed solutions. And so on.

Many people are not really sold on the entirety of either party's platform. Unfortunately, all they get to do is vote every two years. One bit of feedback every two years. So Trump thinks he's got a mandate for everything he wants to do, but what he really has is a vote that the country wasn't happy with the way things were going under Biden.

(Now, true, there are also lots of people who are completely bought in to one side or the other. But since such people tend to be more vocal than the not-really-sold-on-either-side types, it makes it easy to overestimate how many people are zealots.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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Post by BoredPositron »

aeon_ai wrote: post #18
mhitza wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices What's backing this claim?

Anecdata - But I feel confident in it. If you join the Omarchy discord, people regularly cite buying either a Framework or a Beelink, with a lean towards the former, to put Omarchy on. I tend to presume that the creator/consumer rule applies, and that for every one person that says it out loud, there are 9 others who are doing the same thing silently.

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