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Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by dttze »

tguvot wrote: post #5
bobxmax wrote: post #4

Thank god. Finally an end (for now) to the bloodshed. Hopefully an opportunity to take that psycho Netanyahu out of office (and to the Hague, where he should rot)

Elections in Israel are 1 year away. Pretty sure that second coming is more likely than Bibi been tried for anything in Hague

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Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by SilverElfin »

tguvot wrote: post #9
falcor84 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being the figurative 800-pound gorilla in the room, it seems to me that he was indeed able to put sufficient pressure on both sides to get them to agree. Obviously it's still too early to know if it will last, but if it does, and if he can then somehow put pressure to get actual normalization between Israel and the rest of the Middle East, then I would personally chip in to get him the Nobel.

normalization between israel, SA and other countries were on fast track till oct 7. One of the goals of hamas was to prevent it https://archive.is/IYqT4

I remember this. If I resell, Saudi Arabia was ready to formally recognize Israel and establish mutual diplomatic relations. A huge deal, and the timing of October 7 seems too exact to be coincidental. The attack did work - polls show the citizenry of Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly aligned with Hamas, with over 95% denying the atrocities (murder, rape, mutilation) of October 7.

Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by tguvot »

SilverElfin wrote: post #12
tguvot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

normalization between israel, SA and other countries were on fast track till oct 7. One of the goals of hamas was to prevent it https://archive.is/IYqT4

I remember this. If I resell, Saudi Arabia was ready to formally recognize Israel and establish mutual diplomatic relations. A huge deal, and the timing of October 7 seems too exact to be coincidental. The attack did work - polls show the citizenry of Saudi Arabia is overwhelmingly aligned with Hamas, with over 95% denying the atrocities (murder, rape, mutilation) of October 7.

saudi government will massage messaging in official press, a bit of repressions and will sign agreement with israel.

iirc prior to oct 7 those voices that were too much against signing agreement with israel were spanked. or maybe it was in ae. don't remember exactly

Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by 1659447091 »

SilverElfin wrote: post #6

I am cautiously optimistic. But also curious what this community thinks about Trump‘s role. If this progresses, does he deserve a Nobel peace prize for it? Or is it more that other nations in the region applied pressure for Hamas to accept a deal?

Sure, only if he brought peace (unity) to the only country he is suppose to be leading; instead of his violent, misrepresentative comments and actions towards Americans and American cities that didn't vote for him. Heal the wounds he caused, condoned and encouraged. Stop dividing the US. Stop the hate towards out-group Americans. Actually care about and be a leader for America First. All of America/ns.

Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by volleyball »

Knowing the Israelis and their history (both recent and otherwise), There is a good chance that this will be a repeat of the charade that was Trump's first ceasefire in January. Like then, Israel will probably wait to get all the hostages it can during phase one and then promptly resume their war on Palestine while blaming khamas for scuttling the deal. Their finance minister Smotrich has already spoken to that effect :

  “Immediately after the hostages return home, the state of Israel will continue to strive with all its might for the true eradication of Hamas and the genuine disarmament of Gaza, so that it no longer poses a threat to Israel,”
Netanyahu has also made it quite clear (in Hebrew) that he has no intention of following through on the deal - of leaving the gaza, west bank, of allowing Hamas or the Palestinian Authority to rule or any possibility of a future Palestinian state. And the 'peace deal' that was co-written by Netanyahu during his recent visit with Trump at the white house is also framed to ensure the same outcome. The choice facing the Palestinians is genocide, ethnic cleansing or continued imprisonment in the most moral concentration camp in the world. Meanwhile Netanyahu who is facing postponed elections , a postponed October-7 investigation, postponed corruption trial and postponed jail-time has every incentive in the world to keep the war going or start a new one in Iran, Lebanon, Syria or Yemen. And he will likely drag the United states into it all because Netanyahu owns Trump and the republicans.

[1] - https://aje.io/kfptet?update=4020328 [2] - https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1972844833094983790 https://xcancel.com/DropSiteNews/status/1972844833094983790

Re: Israel, Hamas agree on first phase of ceasefire, hostage release

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Post by volleyball »

SilverElfin wrote: post #6

I am cautiously optimistic. But also curious what this community thinks about Trump‘s role. If this progresses, does he deserve a Nobel peace prize for it? Or is it more that other nations in the region applied pressure for Hamas to accept a deal?

What a cruel joke. Trump's role in negotiations was to threaten to fully back Israel's genocide of Palestinians if Hamas were to refuse the deal. The actual 'peace plan' also doesn't have any credible roadmap to a Palestinian state or anything that ensures a life of dignity,security and self-determination for the Palestinian people. In fact, it is framed to ensure the opposite. Trump deserves a trial in the Hague, not a Nobel.
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