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One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by Y-bar »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #2

> Soon, McDowell told us, there will be up to 5 satellite reentries per day Starlink’s next-generation V3s, which will require Starship to launch, weigh in around 2 metric tonnes [1]. (They’re currently “around 260 and 310 kilograms” [2].) “Every day, Earth is bombarded with more than 100 tons [91 metric tons] of dust and sand-sized particles” [3]. So we’re talking about a 2 to 10% increase in burn-up by mass. (Not a…

Asking from a place of ignorance on my part, but does the chemical composition of the satellites versus asteroids/dust have any adverse effects?

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by metalman »

trenbologna wrote: post #3

Does this create pollution? I don't think I want to inhale satellite dust.

The real world concentrations of all of the elements that are in a satelite, dont go up by any measurable amount dues to space X sattelites burning up. What does have a huge impact is climate change causing industrial waste sites to dry up and spread dust, or just the inevitable increaes due to more human activity and mining for our resouce heavy consumption, especialy anything with chips, and batteries, exotic alloys in screens

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by tgv »

oceanplexian wrote: post #10
londons_explore wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

A single terminal could serve an entire African village. It's also serving use cases in the Ukraine war, ships at sea, Antarctic research stations, numerous aerospace and military use cases, and so on. DTC is provide texting and emergency services to countless people who might need it in an emergancy, like we saw in North Carolina. Last and most importantly, Starlink exists is to create revenue for SpaceX and to fund…

> The value to humanity of Starship succeeding at its goals is extremely high.

I beg to disagree. I see no value at all. This must be one of those accelerationist or extropianist/utilitarian beliefs.

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by hobs »

loeg wrote: post #8
londons_explore wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

Personally, I've never suffered from satellite plasma or light pollution from satellites , or spectrum allocation. I suspect most of the 100% are like me.

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Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by xnx »

londons_explore wrote: post #7
chermi wrote: post #6

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0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

Could we say the same about flights to Hawaii? Small number of people take lavish vacations, everyone else gets the pollution.

It's good to look at the costs vs. benefits of everything, but satellite networks are way far down on my list of concern (and I do some astrophotography).

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by xnx »

oceanplexian wrote: post #10
londons_explore wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

A single terminal could serve an entire African village. It's also serving use cases in the Ukraine war, ships at sea, Antarctic research stations, numerous aerospace and military use cases, and so on. DTC is provide texting and emergency services to countless people who might need it in an emergancy, like we saw in North Carolina. Last and most importantly, Starlink exists is to create revenue for SpaceX and to fund…

> The value to humanity of Starship succeeding at its goals is extremely high.

Starship to orbit sounds useful, but Starship to Mars is near useless. If that's what rich people want to spend their money on, go nuts.

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by ggoo »

xnx wrote: post #15
londons_explore wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

Could we say the same about flights to Hawaii? Small number of people take lavish vacations, everyone else gets the pollution. It's good to look at the costs vs. benefits of everything, but satellite networks are way far down on my list of concern (and I do some astrophotography).

After just coming back from a trip to Maui, yeah you can totally say the same about flights to Hawaii.

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by runarberg »

londons_explore wrote: post #7
chermi wrote: post #6

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0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

Also worth considering is the Uber effect of public infrastructure. Meaning that politicians may use the existence of StarLink as an excuse to delay or cancel public projects which would otherwise have delivered broadband internet to under-served areas via traditional infrastructure.

This is similar to how the existence of Uber has caused delays or cancellation of public transit projects because politicians were able to say the people were better served with Uber than public transit.

Re: One to two Starlink satellites are falling back to Earth each day

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Post by ggoo »

loeg wrote: post #8
londons_explore wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

0.018% of the worlds population have starlink subscriptions. Yet 100% put up with the atmospheric pollution of a lot of mass being plasmified on the way back to earth, the light pollution, the lack of other services delivered with that spectrum, etc. One might ask how the 99.982% of us will be compensated.

Personally, I've never suffered from satellite plasma or light pollution from satellites , or spectrum allocation. I suspect most of the 100% are like me.

Scientific advancement has suffered from the light pollution and that advancement is a driving force behind your modern life. So you have (or will) suffer indirectly over time.
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