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AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

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Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#11

The bubble pops when Apple releases an iPhone that runs a good enough for most things LLM locally. At that point cloud hardware investments will plateau (unless some new GPU melting use case comes out). Investors will move from nvidia, AMD into Apple.

What's the advantage of that, exactly? Why would you want something very compute intensive run on your phone instead of just using an API to data centers with great economy of scale?

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#12

The bubble pops when Apple releases an iPhone that runs a good enough for most things LLM locally. At that point cloud hardware investments will plateau (unless some new GPU melting use case comes out). Investors will move from nvidia, AMD into Apple.

What's the benefit to running LLMs locally? Data is already remote, LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency. So you get worse models, performance, and battery life. Local compute on a power constrained mobile device is required for applications that require low latency or significant data throughput and LLM inferencing is neither.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#13
post #7

I wonder what we will do with all that compute if no one is going to use it...even if we achieve AGI it won't run on this generation of hardware. Are we just gonna brute force architectures or wtf is going on?

Cheap cloud gaming. Those GPU's will finally push pixels again :)

Cloud gaming sucks due to latency, not price.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

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post #7

I wonder what we will do with all that compute if no one is going to use it...even if we achieve AGI it won't run on this generation of hardware. Are we just gonna brute force architectures or wtf is going on?

Cheap cloud gaming. Those GPU's will finally push pixels again :)

> Cheap cloud gaming.

> Those GPU's will finally push pixels again :)

Have they ever? I wonder if, say, an H100 even supports graphics APIs.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

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post #12

The bubble pops when Apple releases an iPhone that runs a good enough for most things LLM locally. At that point cloud hardware investments will plateau (unless some new GPU melting use case comes out). Investors will move from nvidia, AMD into Apple.

What's the benefit to running LLMs locally? Data is already remote, LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency. So you get worse models, performance, and battery life. Local compute on a power constrained mobile device is required for applications that require low latency or significant data throughput and LLM inferencing is neither.

> What's the benefit to running LLMs locally?

At work:

That I don't rent $30,000 a month of PTUs from Microsoft. That I can put more restricted data classifications into it.

> LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency

But user experience is

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#17
It’s quite a good strategy to counteract the prevailing sense that “No one ever got fired for buying Nvidia GPUs”.

AMD just doesn’t know how to compete with Nvidia. The best it can do is charge 10% less and release GPUs about the same level of underwhelming performance as Nvidia.

Maybe they wouldn’t need to sell equity if they made better faster cheaper products than Nvidia.

But Lisa Su can’t bring herself to compete. Which is very strange because she brutally competed with and destroyed Intel.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#18
post #12

The bubble pops when Apple releases an iPhone that runs a good enough for most things LLM locally. At that point cloud hardware investments will plateau (unless some new GPU melting use case comes out). Investors will move from nvidia, AMD into Apple.

What's the benefit to running LLMs locally? Data is already remote, LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency. So you get worse models, performance, and battery life. Local compute on a power constrained mobile device is required for applications that require low latency or significant data throughput and LLM inferencing is neither.

The data you need is mostly not remote. A friend works at a software development company, they can use LLMs, but only local ones (local as in their datacenter) and it can only be trained on their code base). Customer service LLMs need to be trained on in-house material, not generic Internet sources.

The general advantage is that you know that you're not leaking information, because there's nowhere to leak it to. You know the exact input, because you provided it. You also get the benefit of being able to have on device encryption, the data is no good in the datacenter if it's encrypted.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

#19

The bubble pops when Apple releases an iPhone that runs a good enough for most things LLM locally. At that point cloud hardware investments will plateau (unless some new GPU melting use case comes out). Investors will move from nvidia, AMD into Apple.

As a local LLM enthusiast, I can tell you that it's useless for most real work - even on desktop form factors. Phones catching up is ever farther out.

Re: AMD signs AI chip-supply deal with OpenAI, gives it option to take a 10% stake

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the benefit to running LLMs locally? Data is already remote, LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency. So you get worse models, performance, and battery life. Local compute on a power constrained mobile device is required for applications that require low latency or significant data throughput and LLM inferencing is neither.

> What's the benefit to running LLMs locally? At work: That I don't rent $30,000 a month of PTUs from Microsoft. That I can put more restricted data classifications into it. > LLM inferencing isn't particularly constrained by Internet latency But user experience is

30k in a month is an enormous amount of tokens with Claude through AWS Bedrock. And companies already commonly trust AWS with their most sensitive data.
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