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Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by irjustin »

DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

It's weird right? I get that Nokia honestly couldn't see it coming, it was basically the first in recent history. Too much too fast, RIM included.

But all the bigwigs currently in Toyota are the age to have seen and lived that transition. It's not like they're new to battery tech.

And they say - wow look at that... nah, let's build hydrogen.

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by LightBug1 »

DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

Currently EV's are the iPhones to Toyota's Nokia and they're going to have to work very hard very soon to turn that around or their company will die.

Fixed that for you. I give Tesla another 2-5 years before their number is up and they'll limp along and become another also ran.

There's no way they can compete with what's to come and even what's happening now.

I have some friends, who are definitely not HN readers or avid followers of the EV market, and they've already swapped out their Teslas for BYD. It didn't take much for them to make the move. And what's coming is already far beyond what Tesla have on the table.

They had a good ride. And definitely should be credited with being the starting gun on one chapter of automotive revolution. But it's over for them (in the EV space). They know it too ... hence their attempted pivot to ... * insert flavour of the month*

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by gorgoiler »

realusername wrote: post #10
DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

I'd say the EU manufacturers are in an even worse position than Toyota as their electric lineup isn't great and they have massive reliability problems on both ICE and BEV cars unlike Toyota. Currently they only survive in the EU thanks to tarrifs on Chinese cars. And I would say the opposite about Tesla, they experienced the biggest selling drop of all brands combined, if there's one brand going to crash first, I'd b…

Can you elaborate on (or link to some resources on) EU manufacturer quality issues? I have a hunch I know what you mean but I’d like to know more.

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by ssl232 »

DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

The iPhone did everything the Nokia 3310 did, better. Electric cars do not (yet) do better some things hybrids do, such as being able to be fuelled with 400+ miles of range in 5 minutes.

I’m nowhere near the point of wanting an electric car to replace my hybrid. The convenience of petrol and the cost of electricity is too high. High electricity costs aren’t going to be fixed in my country any time soon so Toyota will continue to have a huge market here.

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by nebula8804 »

DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

Don't they have a RAV4 EV coming Fall 26? Thats one of their top models. With new generation design that looks nice! They seem pretty serious if they are putting their signature model into EV production. Not to mention their other EVs launching in 2026.

Have Tesla released any new models? The hot thing that people are waiting for right now is not really a new model, its the return of the turn stalk. I mean I get that they sell well because there is lack of options but if you take a step back, this is clown company behavior.

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by Lio »

realusername wrote: post #10
DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

I'd say the EU manufacturers are in an even worse position than Toyota as their electric lineup isn't great and they have massive reliability problems on both ICE and BEV cars unlike Toyota. Currently they only survive in the EU thanks to tarrifs on Chinese cars. And I would say the opposite about Tesla, they experienced the biggest selling drop of all brands combined, if there's one brand going to crash first, I'd b…

Really? I think Renault are on a roll at the moment.

The Renault 4, Renault 5 and Megan seem really competitive.

The new Nissan Leaf (made in UK) also looks pretty good.

VAG seem to have lost the plot (“let’s replace all the controls with a small, janky touch system that leaks personal information to hackers”) but their ID.7 isn’t total crap.

Comparing Renaults to the Chinese brands I’ve seen (MG and BYD) the Chinese brands were a bit cheaper but they really felt it with cheap interiors and uncomfortable seats. I’d rather pay a grand more and get a car I like.

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by nixass »

DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

> That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars.

Toyota is following national direction where natural resources are scarce, including generating electricity. It's actually government's idea to chase hydrogen as a viable alternative to dyno juice.

>With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster.

Lol absolutely not. Toyota is well positioned with their hybrids while also having EV in the pipeline. Have in mind that great majority of world population has no viable means to charge their cars either reliably, cheaply or at all. Hybrids make great sense in great majority of use cases.

> Currently Tesla is the iPhone to Toyota's Nokia and they're going to have to work very hard very soon to turn that around or their company will die.

Oh FFS

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by nixass »

cenamus wrote: post #9
dzhiurgis wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why make electric cars when you can bribe politicians to tax EVs and promote hybrids?

Are you talking about Toyota or every german automaker ;)

Or even US government? (by removing incentives)

Re: Toyota runs a car-hacking event to boost security (2024)

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Post by stavros »

ssl232 wrote: post #14
DecentShoes wrote: post #7

That's great, but the writing is still on the wall if Toyota doesn't get serious about electric cars. With their current trajectory Toyota is headed at 1000mph directly towards being the next Blackberry, Kodak, Nokia or Blockbuster. I say this as someone who owned a Prius for 10 years and loved it, and have also driven their hydrogen car. The BZ4X is badly named overpriced garbage, not enough and not good enough. The…

The iPhone did everything the Nokia 3310 did, better. Electric cars do not (yet) do better some things hybrids do, such as being able to be fuelled with 400+ miles of range in 5 minutes. I’m nowhere near the point of wanting an electric car to replace my hybrid. The convenience of petrol and the cost of electricity is too high. High electricity costs aren’t going to be fixed in my country any time soon so Toyota will…

Just make sure you don't drive one, or you'll change your mind.
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