How do you (especially Europeans) understand this move from Russia? Can it really sustain a war against us? Does it want to break NATO by proving the US won't move?
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#12Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.
The beauty of having your opponent in hole when you own both the shovel and the ladder, is they can’t figure out how to stop digging.
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#13No one listened, no one prepared. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Munich_speech_of_Vladim... It’s not like there was any warning signs… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 Bullies exploit weaknesses. Time to grow a pair.
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> Regarding the Malaysian airline, Westerners do this all the time
Western governments shoot down civilian airliners all the time?
(Also funny how the propaganda has shifted from “Actually the Ukrainians shot it down” to “Actually others do this too”)
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#14Armchair analysis: Germany is preparing for war and all of Europe is asking them.
Well, this won't end well for Russia. Germany is one of the biggest industrial producers in the world.
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#15How do you (especially Europeans) understand this move from Russia? Can it really sustain a war against us? Does it want to break NATO by proving the US won't move?
I think the idea from putin is, they are done in 20 years anyway from a population/financial position anyway. There only chance is to expand and take over populations to rebuild their ability to survive as a country.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> Regarding the Malaysian airline, Westerners do this all the time Western governments shoot down civilian airliners all the time? (Also funny how the propaganda has shifted from “Actually the Ukrainians shot it down” to “Actually others do this too”)
"We didn't do it and if we did, they deserved it."
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#17I am not sure what European "leaders" expected. Many of them support Ukraine militarily in the war, so yes, EU is in fact in war with Russia, through Ukraine as a proxy.
I oppose the military support to Ukraine. I think it's responsibility of the stronger party, here NATO, to seek deescalation. I also disapprove that the military support for Ukraine was decided undemocratically, without any consideration whether this might escalate into a war. And here we are...
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#18How do you (especially Europeans) understand this move from Russia? Can it really sustain a war against us? Does it want to break NATO by proving the US won't move?
What move, you mean about the drones? I first want to be sure about what happened. Remember that few years ago you were still being labeled as "Russian propaganda" if you had doubts about the NS incident.
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#19Can and will, Ukraine shoulda never gave up those nukes.
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#20Europe is buying billions of Russian gas and petrochemicals. https://energyandcleanair.org/financing-putins-war/ The first step when finding yourself in a hole is to stop digging.
What part of this is Hungary and such?