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Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by daleharvey » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:25 PM UTC

ipince wrote: post #9

gojomo wrote: post #5

"Stuck in a moment." And once again, in Greenspan's own transcripts, Zuckerberg comes off better -- more focused, more observant, more strategic, seeing opportunities rather than obsessing on risks, and even more generous with offers of collaboration -- than Greenspan himself.

Maybe so. But still as an immature dick. Maybe I'm being too rosy and idealistic here, but I prefer integrity over those other traits you mentioned. Many people have a good balance, so why compromise?

At what point on the transcripts does he come across as 'an immature dick'?

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by Tipzntrix » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:28 PM UTC

Perhaps this is one of the places where legal action is justified? Maybe he should've got a patent like all those monsters out there today. At least his would actually have a product behind it.

It's nice to here it from the horse's mouth instead of second-hand from a movie made to generate revenue though.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by formeraapl » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:32 PM UTC

It's damn hard to pull emotion out when writing about one's life story, but Greenspan's writing style so distracts from the meat of his story that it's frustrating.

For instance:

"both so-called Facebook veterans (a phrase that actual veterans might find laughable)"

or

"It was an expense I simply could not afford all over again (unlike the Winklevoss twins, my father did not have millions of dollars of disposable income)"

or

"[Mark] didn't understand how to speak like a mature person his age."

Bits like those just scream "I'm a vicitim" and come off as whiny.

If Greenspan laid out the timeline and the documentation sans his editorializing it would be more powerful.

Carry these same points through any follow-up interviews, testimony, etc and I sense that Greenspan would be much happier with his outcome.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by j_s » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:32 PM UTC

I don't know the right phrase for the opposite of 'preaching to the choir', but that's what I think this post here on HN is: the opposite of preaching to the choir.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by anon808 » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:36 PM UTC

A very large chunk of his articles are negative http://www.aarongreenspan.com/writing/index.html

Not saying they aren't all true, I'm sure they are.

Why focus on the negativity? Recognize it and move beyond.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by Skroob » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:36 PM UTC

j_s wrote: post #14

I don't know the right phrase for the opposite of 'preaching to the choir', but that's what I think this post here on HN is: the opposite of preaching to the choir.

"Preaching to Reddit"

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by Apocryphon » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:37 PM UTC

mattmaroon wrote: post #6

"Perhaps the lesson here is that competing with and using your 'friends' in serial fashion until you totally and completely ravage each relationship is key to achieving financial success—but then it's certainly no way to define friendship." That's certainly not the lesson. In fact what's always made me believe these sort of attacks against Zuckerberg's character is the fact that you don't see this happen with really…

They've accused Steve Jobs and Bill Gates of it.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by bcherry » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:37 PM UTC

From the AIM chat logs:

> zberg02: but probably like 8k

> zberg02: i think that qualifies as real cool

8k isn't cool. You know what's cool...

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by dreamdu5t » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:40 PM UTC

The lesson is (again): It's all about execution.

Re: The Lost Chapter

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Post by mycroftiv » Wed, Sep 19, 2012, 9:40 PM UTC

The accumulated evidence of Zuckerberg's poor character was already overwhelming. For me, all it took was the infamous "dumb fucks" quote to make me decide to never use Facebook. That alone disqualifies someone to be a responsible custodian of my privacy. This article's evidence isn't as significant as other established facts like Zuckerberg's invasion of other people's email accounts, but it is consistent with everything else we know: in one of the modern world's great ironies, a person with no respect for his fellow human beings is the de facto gatekeeper of "friendship" on the net.