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Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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LLMs are only going to improve by fragmenting them into specialized systems for low parameter high performance results. We’ve reached the point where models will get smaller and more compact

I guess we are going to be using multiple small specialized models with a reasoning model and tooling.

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

#12

So its a model designed exclusively for a purpose? Then the results should not be that surprising. It's still impressive don't get me wrong.

The results are interesting for showing the efficacy of small, fine-tuned models that can be run locally. AI providers as a business need their do-all models to be better than these if they want long-term revenue through the APIs, right?

It depends on the provider and their goals. We have recently seen a schism between OpenAI and Anthropic, whereby Athropic is going all in on automation and programming and OpenAI is going all in for I guess a personal assistant / personal tasks AI.

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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post #8

LLMs are only going to improve by fragmenting them into specialized systems for low parameter high performance results. We’ve reached the point where models will get smaller and more compact

I thought "The Bitter Lesson" was that whole a specialised system will outperform in the short term, generalized systems with lots of data win in the long term.

http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

#15
Seems this gives us a clear bifurcation of what AI is about to do.

Open-Source style small players will actually solve problems with AI.

And the big money invested things are going to do stupid pointless bubbly things at best, or enshittify other good things at worst.

Govern yourselves accordingly.

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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It's not surprising given specialization typically leads to better outcomes.

I guess this is a small step forward, if nothing else, to the day when I can actually teach a model something in situ on my personal machine (notice I said machine, not "machines") in a very short amount of time. I feel that until then, LLMs and similar technologies won't be maximally helpful. They're very useful, but not maximally helpful.

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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It's wild to me how many people still think that fine-tuning doesn't work. There was just a thread the other day with numerous people arguing that RL should only be done by the big labs.

There is so much research that shows you can beat frontier models with very little investment. It's confusing that the industry at large hasn't caught up with that

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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post #4

It really seems like all the next big leaps in AI are going to be fine-tuning fit-for-purpose models. Everything past GPT5 has been ... fine. It's better at chat (sort of, depending on your tone preferenc) and way better at coding/tool use. In our product (plan out a migration with AI), they've gotten worse, because they want to chat or code. I'd have expected the coding knowledge to generalize, but no! Especially Cl…

We'll need to find a way to make fine-tuning happen on consumer hardware. I hope we do that sooner rather than later. $196 is not awful, but still pretty high up on the cost side for hobbyists.

Re: Extract-0: A specialized language model for document information extraction

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post #14
post #8

LLMs are only going to improve by fragmenting them into specialized systems for low parameter high performance results. We’ve reached the point where models will get smaller and more compact

I thought "The Bitter Lesson" was that whole a specialised system will outperform in the short term, generalized systems with lots of data win in the long term. http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html

Over time. But for a given instant, specialization will always win. That message is for researchers, who seek to have long term impact and it's bitter because it goes against their desire to provide long term impact from their own clever abstraction or insights.

But it's informative for the engineers that need something right now, because it means taking the best general purpose tool and specializing it will outperform the general tool, and you can sustain that if you are willing to always hop tools and respecialize. As we may.

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