How is one country able to fine businesses in other countries? What legal authority or ability do they have to do anything?
Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#12How is one country able to fine businesses in other countries? What legal authority or ability do they have to do anything?
It can't, that's why they moved out.
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#13> Mr Capel said: “We have been clear that exiting the UK does not allow an organisation to avoid responsibility for any prior infringement of data protection law, and our investigation remains ongoing. Block UK access now just in case.
It's clear to me, it's a huge risk for any company to allow access to UK visitors at this stage. All companies should be blocking all UK visitors. It's just too much risk for them to take. The fault is obviously an incompetent and authoritarian UK government, but that's what the UK overlords have agreed.
It would be much better to not block them rather serve them a single screen that explains why the rest of the site is unavailable to them citing the specific laws that make the action necessary
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#14> Mr Capel said: “We have been clear that exiting the UK does not allow an organisation to avoid responsibility for any prior infringement of data protection law, and our investigation remains ongoing. Block UK access now just in case.
It's clear to me, it's a huge risk for any company to allow access to UK visitors at this stage. All companies should be blocking all UK visitors. It's just too much risk for them to take. The fault is obviously an incompetent and authoritarian UK government, but that's what the UK overlords have agreed.
shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it.
If I have a website I'm pretty sure I'm bound to break some random country's law without knowing
Answering my own question, I guess it's exceptionalism of the powerful countries where they can just bully you into following their law
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#15I suppose this is a serious question - does this mean that in theory HN should ban UK users? Or is HN likely compliant with this law? It is hard to pierce through the Orwellian language in the article (does "safeguarding children’s personal information" mean retaining or deleting the data?).
It looks like this law (which is unrelated to the Online Safety Act) is concerned with children being subjected to ad-tech tracking and similar indiscriminate data harvesting, so a site like this which doesn't feel the need to share your habits with 2,541 partners is probably out of scope.
https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/the-children-s-code-what-i...
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#16How is one country able to fine businesses in other countries? What legal authority or ability do they have to do anything?
If you do business in a country you have to operate under that country's laws and regulations, regardless of where you are registered.
Most commonly it's the EU fining American tech for GDPR violations and related privacy shenanigans.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's clear to me, it's a huge risk for any company to allow access to UK visitors at this stage. All companies should be blocking all UK visitors. It's just too much risk for them to take. The fault is obviously an incompetent and authoritarian UK government, but that's what the UK overlords have agreed.
It would be much better to not block them rather serve them a single screen that explains why the rest of the site is unavailable to them citing the specific laws that make the action necessary
Now:
> {"data":{"error":"Content not available in your region."},"success":false,"status":400}
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It would be much better to not block them rather serve them a single screen that explains why the rest of the site is unavailable to them citing the specific laws that make the action necessary
Now: > {"data":{"error":"Content not available in your region."},"success":false,"status":400}
"status": 451
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's clear to me, it's a huge risk for any company to allow access to UK visitors at this stage. All companies should be blocking all UK visitors. It's just too much risk for them to take. The fault is obviously an incompetent and authoritarian UK government, but that's what the UK overlords have agreed.
shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it. If I have a website I'm pretty sure I'm bound to break some random country's law without knowing Answering my own question, I guess it's exceptionalism of the powerful countries where they can just bully you into following their law
> shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it.
They're clearly working up to this; it's what happened with Pirate Bay, etc.
Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now: > {"data":{"error":"Content not available in your region."},"success":false,"status":400}
"status": 451 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7725
I find it interesting that there was no mention of Fahrenheit 451, the very reason they picked that number.
They did at least put a thanks to Ray Bradbury.