Why they don't use AI to create a new architecture?
https://github.com/GAIR-NLP/ASI-Arch This is being done, with great results so far. As models get better, architecture search and creation and refinment improves, driving a reinforcement loop. At some point in the near future the big labs will likely start seeing significant returns from methods like this, translating into better and faster AI for consumers.
The von Neumann bottleneck is impeding AI computing?
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#12The old saw from corporations that want to sell you an locked-down alternative to general-purpose computing -- now for "AI"
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#15https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.adh1174
Also they've been working on this for 10+ years so it's not exactly new news.
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#16Which is fine! I am all for iterative improvements, it’s how we got to where we are today. I just wish more folks would start openly admitting that our current architecture designs are broadly based off “low hanging fruit” of early electronics and microprocessors, followed by a century of iterative improvements. With the easy improvements already done and universally integrated, we’re stuck at a crossroads:
* Improve our existing technologies iteratively and hope we break through some barrier to achieve rapid scaling again
OR
* Accept that we cannot achieve new civilizational uplifts with existing technologies, and invest more capital into frontier R&D (quantum processing, new compute substrates, etc)
I feel like our current addiction to the AI CAPEX bubble is a desperate Hail Mary to validate our current tech as the only way forward, when in fact we haven’t really sufficiently explored alternatives in the modern era. I could very well be wrong, but that’s the read I get from the hardware side of things and watching us backslide into the 90s era of custom chips to achieve basic efficiency gains again.
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#17Nit, ARM processors primarily use a modified Harvard architecture, including the raspberry pi pico.
this isn't about Harvard/VonNeuman split/no-split between i-cache and d-cache I think this post is more about... compute in memory? if I got it right?
This is, IIRC, part of why Apple's M-series chips are as performant as they are: they not only have a unified memory architecture which eliminates the need to copy data from CPU main memory to GPU or NPU main memory to operate on it (and then copy the result back) but the RAM being on the package means that it's slightly "more local" and the memory channels can be optimized for the system they're going to be connected to.
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#18Nit, ARM processors primarily use a modified Harvard architecture, including the raspberry pi pico.
Nit: RP2040 is a Von Neumann. There's only one AHB port on the m0. Edit: see also ARM7TDMI, Cortex-m0/0+/1, and probably a few others. All the big stuff is modified Harvard or very rarely pure Harvard.
That said AVH-lite is called lite because it is a simplified form of the arm norm.
The RP2350 can issue one fetch and one load/store per cycle, and that is that almost everything called a CPU and not a MCU will have ABH5 or better.
The “von Neumann bottleneck” was (when I went to school) that the CPU cannot simultaneously fetch an instruction and read/write data from or to memory.
That doesn’t apply to smartphones, PCs or servers even in the intel world due to instruction caches etc…
It is just old man yells at clouds
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#19If you follow the press release rabbit a few clicks, there's an article in Science describing the NorthPole chip architecture in more detail: https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.adh1174 Also they've been working on this for 10+ years so it's not exactly new news.
Maybe they're hoping someone else does it.. and then pays IBM for using whatever patents they have on it.
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#20Why they don't use AI to create a new architecture?