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Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by meowface »

ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

I agree. But ~99% of Bluesky users deeply, deeply, deeply hate AI and anything associated with it, so don't expect any movement on that front for at least a few decades.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by Waterluvian »

ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

It feels like little needs to change. If you want to provide alt text to offer high quality specifics, awesome. If you leave it blank, those who need/want alt text should cause it to be generated on-demand. Either client side or by a server which then caches it for the next user.

Same with closed captioning!

And then the alt text Nazis can be quiet, too!

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by Waterluvian »

evklein wrote: post #9
pfraze wrote: post #4

The entire codebase is an html page with some javascript embedded. view-source: https://bobbiec.github.io/bluesky-alt-text.html

The way god intended

I was about to complain that surely god couldn’t have intended… JavaScript… but then I looked in a mirror and realized he made it in my image.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by makeitdouble »

ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

AI has no idea what you're trying to convey through a picture. Imagine you're shitposting a "this is fine" meme with some bad collage on it, asking for a LLM to properly convey your take is just a fool's errand.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

#16

Post by pfraze »

McGlockenshire wrote: post #10
sprice wrote: post #8

Some fun stuff in here: > at://did:plc:4zd6mbhgvmjri5rmlsyeq6go/3lzpamhfmfc2d: a mostly naked vivi (she/her) domming a bound matchstick (he/him) in a neon-lit nightclub called PONYBOYS > at://did:plc:4zd6mbhgvmjri5rmlsyeq6go/3lzpamhfmfc2d: same pic but made absolutely clear that matchstick is into it and consenting :)

bsky recently changed (proposed changing?) their policies on how adult stuff is presented. the wording they've chosen has a specific focus on explicit consent, resulting in having to do ... that.

The specific policy is "We allow consensual adult sexual content, including fictional depictions, when appropriately labeled and subject to appropriate age restrictions. We do not allow sexual content involving non-consensual activity including synthetic, simulated, illustrated, or animated versions."

I can understand why artists who enjoy the non-con kink dislike this policy, but I think people can also appreciate where this policy comes from. I can also understand why other NSFW artists are anxious that they need to indicate consent, but there is, unfortunately, some amount of judgment that the moderation team has to make on whether something is violative noncon.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by extra88 »

ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

What makes for good alt text depends on the author's intent by including the image, an LLM can't know that.

Authors can often use an LLM to save time by outputting an initial draft an author can fix.

Readers can also use their own LLM as a supplement, to ask it questions about details in an image that wouldn't be in the alt text. LLMs will get things wrong but are generally good enough for such supplementary use.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by jazzyjackson »

pfraze wrote: post #16
McGlockenshire wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bsky recently changed (proposed changing?) their policies on how adult stuff is presented. the wording they've chosen has a specific focus on explicit consent, resulting in having to do ... that.

The specific policy is "We allow consensual adult sexual content, including fictional depictions, when appropriately labeled and subject to appropriate age restrictions. We do not allow sexual content involving non-consensual activity including synthetic, simulated, illustrated, or animated versions." I can understand why artists who enjoy the non-con kink dislike this policy, but I think people can also appreciate w…

I wonder if, besides imaginary depictions of non-consensual acts (and what of consensual non-consent, CNC? Do you have to add a frame to your comic where the characters discuss their limits and safe words?) -- maybe it's meant more to address deepfakes / porn involving depictions of people who didn't agree to be depicted that way. I think the law around usage of your image (and your voice) is in a very interesting place but could use clarification so all citizens can benefit; right now its hollywood actors and basketball players who get to explicitly control how images of them are used. Facebook did get in trouble once for putting photos of your friends into ads, "Your aunt bettie likes walmart!", they still can list that text since you did hit the like button, but there was some law that prevented them from using your face to imply endorsement.

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by CSSer »

makeitdouble wrote: post #15
ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

AI has no idea what you're trying to convey through a picture. Imagine you're shitposting a "this is fine" meme with some bad collage on it, asking for a LLM to properly convey your take is just a fool's errand.

Moreover some images SHOULD NOT have alt text or at least shouldn't have their associated alt text displayed in all contexts. I put this in all caps because this is a pervasive and common myth. Granted, all images on Bluesky probably should have alt text because ostensibly an image as part of a post is probably content. However, in cases where an image is purely decorative and not meaningfully relevant to the page, a blind or low-vision person doesn't need to, nor do they want to, hear your weird interpretation of some abstract art. If you disagree, take it up with W3C. This isn't just my opinion.

https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/decision-tree/

Re: Bluesky Alt Text Stream

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Post by bobbiechen »

makeitdouble wrote: post #15
ajithshan001 wrote: post #7

The era of AI shouldn’t require users to enter alt text. AI should be able to provide one.

AI has no idea what you're trying to convey through a picture. Imagine you're shitposting a "this is fine" meme with some bad collage on it, asking for a LLM to properly convey your take is just a fool's errand.

(creator here) I thought it would at least be easy to transcribe screenshots of just text, which were a common part of the dataset. These are harder to misinterpret so I figured automated alt text would be a win.

But I found that even that was not easy to do with "traditional" OCR, notes here: https://digitalseams.com/blog/image-transcription-humbled-me

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