Big tech will likely just employ the same talent but abroad.
Or pay $100k
Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
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Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#12Outsourcing has never worked for core products and innovation. Anyone claiming all these jobs will go over seas has never tried to outsource something complex. Zero large cap businesses have succeeded at this. The outsourcing comes in long after the innovation has stalled and the product is KTLO
Many companies off-shore without outsourcing (and often with success).
Outsourcing: another company. Hard and a bad idea for your core competency.
Off-shoring: another country. Much easier if you keep it as part of the same company.
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#13With this change, I'll bet alot of the worlds best talent is coming to Australia. Perhaps we'll be able to set up our own rival Silicon Valley? The only downside is for the countries these people come from - these countries don't have an immigration problem. Their issue is a much bigger brain drain problem.
> Australia
Why there, why not Vancouver which keeps the same timezone as SV?
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#14With this change, I'll bet alot of the worlds best talent is coming to Australia. Perhaps we'll be able to set up our own rival Silicon Valley? The only downside is for the countries these people come from - these countries don't have an immigration problem. Their issue is a much bigger brain drain problem.
No thank you - we already face enough racism in the USA.
We don't want to deal with something that's 4 times as bad.
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#15Big tech has negotiated this H1B narrative very well.
It kills two birds with one stone -
* Easy excuse to reduce hiring junior engineers just as AI is getting good. People seem to think there are 'slots' to fill with reduced immigration, but no, not this time.
* Streamlined hiring experts. If you want a linux kernel developer with ten years of experience, now you can just get one instead of going through the lottery and waiting ~8 months before they can start working. (And no, you are not going to find many unemployed US citizens with ten years of Linux kernel development experience.)
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#16The reality will probably be hard to discern. Programming has become the new doctor/lawyer "big money" job in the past 25 years. That has drawn a lot of people unsuited for the work. Add the lack of a meaningful gatekeeping accreditation system like the other professions and you get a system burdened with a lot of dead wood.
The outcome going forward might end up looking superficially bleaker than the recent gravy train of overhiring suggests but that doesn't mean it's a valid indicator. Lots of disingenuous media outlets are cherry picking the COVID tech runup from 2020-2022 as an indication of a trend that collapsed but the real long term trend has corrected back to where it should have been all along.
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#17Of course it doesn’t.
Don’t forget that immigrants are participants in the economy. If they are removed there are fewer customers.
Without immigrants, the US is losing population. That is fact.
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#18Big tech will likely just employ the same talent but abroad.
Or pay $100k
If I charge you a fee of $10000 / month for home internet, while useful, you will prefer to just not use it and find other ways to access it (maybe from a library or a coffee shop).
Similarly the employers will just cut the bleeding edge programs that require specialty skills and will focus on others that the local labor market can cover.
Re: Fewer H-1B visas did not mean more employment for natives (2017)
#19With this change, I'll bet alot of the worlds best talent is coming to Australia. Perhaps we'll be able to set up our own rival Silicon Valley? The only downside is for the countries these people come from - these countries don't have an immigration problem. Their issue is a much bigger brain drain problem.
Maybe? The Australian tech seen has always felt fairly small to me, at least in Sydney. We've got Atlassian and Canva as the local darlings, and then Google, Amazon, FB, and Salesforce have their offices, though I don't think much real engineering work gets done here. I'm not trying to throw shade at any engineers in Sydney of course, especially at those companies, I just never got the since that the engineering teams were large here.
Maybe I'm too insular, but is there much of a startup seen here, @aussieguy1234? If there is I'd love to hear about it