They can just fork Rails right now, no need for dramatic open letters.
As for trying to unseat the Rails founder and BDFL, no chance.
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I do think there are some interesting questions in this area, but the idea that a country is primarily a country for X is hugely problematic and racist in many parts of the world, and has led to countless civil wars. The most obvious one being “Israel is primarily a country for Israelis.” But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlyi…
How is it racist? Native Brits are anyone who was born there. This is more about culture than race.
That’s the point—- definitions of culture and identity can change over time. Since I’m from the US, I don’t have much more to say about lands belonging to people, but my comment about Japan is meant to highlight problems with the idea of islands being naturally “for” people.
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#13From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.
Yeah, I do think there are some interesting questions in this area, but the idea that a country is primarily a country for X is hugely problematic and racist in many parts of the world, and has led to countless civil wars. The most obvious one being “Israel is primarily a country for Israelis.” But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlyi…
A stable country is a country that is primarily a country of X. What constitutes X may change over time, but it works fine if it is slow and gradual.
> But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlying cultural groups.
If it is not gradual and you have Y and Z beside X, is when trouble start. Middle East and lot of African countries is the example of this. Those people where unable to live together (too many cultural differences) in their home country, why should be different in Europe, where cultural differences will be even higher ?
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#14Related post from DHH: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45369300
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#15> GitHub issues are disabled on this repo to keep it on-topic and reduce argumentative discussions that go nowhere. Feel free to discuss this in all the usual places though. I get that GitHub Issues for controversial repos tends to invite trolls, but "discuss this in all the usual places" guarantees there will be no traction.
You can still open PRs, like this one:
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is it racist? Native Brits are anyone who was born there. This is more about culture than race.
DHH makes it about race? >That was then. Now, I wouldn't dream of it. London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. Unambiguously referring to https:…
The Wikipedia page lumps together immigrant Asians with native born Asians. cf. "Asian or Asian British" as 20.8%. Same for Blacks.
Do we know the actual breakdown?
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#17These people sound like they teleported straight out of a sociology classroom from 2017 or 2020 and didn’t catch what year it is. This whole puritanical bully culture is completely dead. Get out of your echochambers, and read the room already. If you think rails is worth forking, fork it. If you think it shouldn’t be used, don’t use it. If you can’t be around a diversity of viewpoints, especially opinions that offend…
Not everyone lives in America
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#18From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.
Yeah, I do think there are some interesting questions in this area, but the idea that a country is primarily a country for X is hugely problematic and racist in many parts of the world, and has led to countless civil wars. The most obvious one being “Israel is primarily a country for Israelis.” But one of the legacies of colonialism is the Middle East and Africa being carved up in lines that didn’t match the underlyi…
One of the core tenets of liberalism is that multi cultural societies and nations are just as good as mono cultural ones. what are you trying to imply here with the africa and middle eastern examples
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#19From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.
This is a big conflict in modern liberalism and democracy. If the british people vote for an ethnostate what are we supposed to do. subvert multicultural ideas? or subvert democracy?
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#20Related post from DHH: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45369300
Wow, that guy is really acting like a Nazi