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Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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The caliber of companies interested in Dev Bootcamp grads is promising for their model. I'm curious about how employers have felt about the engineers they've hired from such services vs fresh / semi-experienced engineers with CS degrees.

Jeff Dickey ( http://dickey.xxx/dev-bootcamp ), an engineer at TapJoy attended our hiring day. They ended up hiring 7 of our grads.

9 weeks isn't enough time for anyone to be learning how to write production-quality code, much less take a job as anything more than an engineering intern.

The fact that TapJoy is hiring people straight out of DevBootCamp makes me seriously question the quality of their engineering organization, rather than causing me to think highly of DevBootCamp (which may be an excellent program).

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeff Dickey ( http://dickey.xxx/dev-bootcamp ), an engineer at TapJoy attended our hiring day. They ended up hiring 7 of our grads.

9 weeks isn't enough time for anyone to be learning how to write production-quality code, much less take a job as anything more than an engineering intern. The fact that TapJoy is hiring people straight out of DevBootCamp makes me seriously question the quality of their engineering organization, rather than causing me to think highly of DevBootCamp (which may be an excellent program).

I have been teaching myself how to code for 1.5 years and also did bloc.io, so I will have about 1,000 of programming under my belt before starting Dev Bootcamp in October. Almost every other student has been coding a lot before getting started. If you start from nothing, I agree that you will not make too much progress in 9 weeks, but this is not the case for most Dev Bootcamp students.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

9 weeks isn't enough time for anyone to be learning how to write production-quality code, much less take a job as anything more than an engineering intern. The fact that TapJoy is hiring people straight out of DevBootCamp makes me seriously question the quality of their engineering organization, rather than causing me to think highly of DevBootCamp (which may be an excellent program).

I have been teaching myself how to code for 1.5 years and also did bloc.io, so I will have about 1,000 of programming under my belt before starting Dev Bootcamp in October. Almost every other student has been coding a lot before getting started. If you start from nothing, I agree that you will not make too much progress in 9 weeks, but this is not the case for most Dev Bootcamp students.

They advertise as being accessible to individuals with no prior experience whatsoever.

If you do have prior experience, can you tell me why you want a $12K bootcamp instead of just learning Rails yourself?

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Wow! Didn't expect to see this here for a while. We've just finished redeveloping the entire Dev Bootcamp website. Still a few kinks to iron out, especially for smaller screen sizes. We'll be making it responsive. Chris Jennings (from http://chrisjennings.com ) did all the creative work. I'm more than happy to answer any questions about Dev Bootcamp, but I think this does a good job at tackling a few of them: http://…

I'd be curious why RoR (not that I disagree with that decision)? Did you find a competitive advantage over say PHP or Python? Is it easier to teach? More job opportunities? Picked out of a hat?

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Wow! Didn't expect to see this here for a while. We've just finished redeveloping the entire Dev Bootcamp website. Still a few kinks to iron out, especially for smaller screen sizes. We'll be making it responsive. Chris Jennings (from http://chrisjennings.com ) did all the creative work. I'm more than happy to answer any questions about Dev Bootcamp, but I think this does a good job at tackling a few of them: http://…

I'd be curious why RoR (not that I disagree with that decision)? Did you find a competitive advantage over say PHP or Python? Is it easier to teach? More job opportunities? Picked out of a hat?

Hi there! I'm a teacher at Dev Bootcamp. I'll quote my answer to this question on Quora (http://b.qr.ae/QkkZtu), "Are there any programming bootcamps like Dev Bootcamp or Bloc.io that are Python/Django focused?"

The tl;dr is "No, not really. It's the right mix between what we know and a good beginner language."

The language and technologies you learn are not the most important bit when it comes to becoming a programmer. When friends ask me whether they should learn Ruby or Python I respond by asking "Which language do more of your friends know?"

Motivation, frustration tolerance, social support, and access to expertise are all more important than the raw language when you're trying to become a programmer. Python, Ruby, C#, Clojure, Objective-C, etc. are just means to that end.

Consider this: if you speak Ruby, understand the fundamentals of software engineering, and maintain a beginner's mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshin) then it will take weeks -- if not days -- to reach the same level of competence in Python.

Dev Bootcamp focuses on Ruby, Rails, and JavaScript, for example, but two students from our most recent class received job offers from Hipmunk, a Python shop. Some students from the spring work at companies where most of the code they write is Java or PHP.

IMO a good programming bootcamp aims to teach you to program as if it were teaching you English poetry. Knowing a particular language, whether it's Python or anything else, is like knowing how to write in English.

To be sure, you have to know how to write English before you can write English poetry, but that's the smallest part of being a poet.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been teaching myself how to code for 1.5 years and also did bloc.io, so I will have about 1,000 of programming under my belt before starting Dev Bootcamp in October. Almost every other student has been coding a lot before getting started. If you start from nothing, I agree that you will not make too much progress in 9 weeks, but this is not the case for most Dev Bootcamp students.

They advertise as being accessible to individuals with no prior experience whatsoever. If you do have prior experience, can you tell me why you want a $12K bootcamp instead of just learning Rails yourself?

I studied on my own for a year before attending the Summer session of Dev Bootcamp. I found that the available resources for learning Rails are not really that great for beginner. They are more geared toward people who already know how to make sites through other frameworks/languages.

I actually built two Rails apps on my own before attending Dev Bootcamp, but the quality of my code was horrible. I was able to fill in my gaps at knowledge about Rails and Object Oriented design and testing, and can now write nice clean code, versus guessing and putting bandaids on bad code.

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