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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by Mistletoe »

petesergeant wrote: post #3

> Tesla’s EV business is in decline and the stock price depends entirely on the self-driving and robot promises I don't think that's right; I think the stock price entirely depends on people seeing it a vehicle to invest in Musk. If Musk died tomorrow, but nothing else changed at Tesla, the stock price would crater.

I actually think the stock price would go up. His detour to fascism and megalomania has chased off tons of liberal environmentalists like myself that are the target audience for electric cars. I cancelled what would have been our replacement Tesla when he was implying on Twitter there can be good reasons for sneaking into the speaker of the house’s house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by cedws »

lm28469 wrote: post #5

Two more years guys, just give him two more years, a few more billion, a bit more political power and I promise he'll give you your fancy self driving toy. (Repeat from 2012 ad infinitum)

Solar roofs, Dojo, Hyperloop, robotaxi, roadster, semi, mission around the Moon, man on Mars by 2020, it’s all coming guys he promised!

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by jarym »

"is a Level 2 driver assistance system that requires constant supervision by a human driver" - the reason for human supervision might have something to do with uncommon situations (debris in road being such a situation).

Elon's estimates have always been off but it is irresponsible to see an obstacle up ahead and assume the computer would do something about it while the driver and passenger debate on what the said obstacle is. I am not sure if they were trying to win a Darwin Award and I say that as no particularly fan of Musk!

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by lazide »

gdulli wrote: post #2

I thought the title meant the software crashed, but it was the car that crashed: "They didn’t make it out of California without crashing into easily avoidable road debris that badly damaged the Tesla Model Y ... In the video, you can see that the driver doesn’t have his hands on the steering wheel. The passenger spots the debris way ahead of time. There was plenty of time to react, but the driver didn’t get his hands…

The issue with ‘driver in the loop only for emergencies’ is that it’s harder for someone to be prepared to react only occasionally (but still promptly and correctly) when outlier behavior happens, not easier.

For automated tools like CNC machines, there is a reason it’s just ‘emergency stop’ for instance, not ‘tap the correct thing we should do instead’.

But doing an e-stop on a road at speed is a very dangerous action as well, which is why that isn’t an option here either.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by catapart »

gdulli wrote: post #2

I thought the title meant the software crashed, but it was the car that crashed: "They didn’t make it out of California without crashing into easily avoidable road debris that badly damaged the Tesla Model Y ... In the video, you can see that the driver doesn’t have his hands on the steering wheel. The passenger spots the debris way ahead of time. There was plenty of time to react, but the driver didn’t get his hands…

And if the car was fully self driving and capable of seeing debris that was clearly seen by two humans (whom tesla claims have inferior eyes), it could have taken the opportunity to change lanes and avoid the obstruction.

They want to pretend you'll only need to actually intervene in 'edge case' situations, but here we have an example of perfect conditions requiring intervention. Regardless of the buzzwords they can attach to whatever methods they are using, it doesn't feel like it works.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by gregoriol »

thefourthchime wrote: post #8

I use Tesla FSD 99% of the time. I recently drove from Austin to Florida and back. The only time I had to take over was for road debris on the highway. Off the highway it’s very good about avoiding it. My guess is Tesla has not been focusing on this issue as it's not needed for robotaxi for phase one.

The fact that it works well in good conditions doesn't make it good. It's the unexpected situations that determine if someone lives or dies.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by [deleted] »

curiousObject wrote: post #10

It’s an accident that could also happen to an inattentive human driver. (Ask me how I know :( ) But, if you watch the car’s display panel, it looks as if the car didn’t see anything and just went full speed ahead. That’s not great. It should have slowed down and alerted the driver that something was there. I didn’t watch the complete video so maybe there’s more.

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by lazide »

coreyh14444 wrote: post #7
HPsquared wrote: post #4

It's so clear, dry, perfect lighting, no traffic or anything. That's shocking.

The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knew spending more on extra sensors would help avoid issues like this? So weird.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by iwontberude »

Mistletoe wrote: post #11
petesergeant wrote: post #3

> Tesla’s EV business is in decline and the stock price depends entirely on the self-driving and robot promises I don't think that's right; I think the stock price entirely depends on people seeing it a vehicle to invest in Musk. If Musk died tomorrow, but nothing else changed at Tesla, the stock price would crater.

I actually think the stock price would go up. His detour to fascism and megalomania has chased off tons of liberal environmentalists like myself that are the target audience for electric cars. I cancelled what would have been our replacement Tesla when he was implying on Twitter there can be good reasons for sneaking into the speaker of the house’s house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer.

Nah Morgan Stanley and Wedbush would know the gig is up, the fraud would no longer be maintainable without Elon.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by iwontberude »

cedws wrote: post #12
lm28469 wrote: post #5

Two more years guys, just give him two more years, a few more billion, a bit more political power and I promise he'll give you your fancy self driving toy. (Repeat from 2012 ad infinitum)

Solar roofs, Dojo, Hyperloop, robotaxi, roadster, semi, mission around the Moon, man on Mars by 2020, it’s all coming guys he promised!

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