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Watches Are for the Poor

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Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#11
Somewhat recently here in Bogotá police have learned of criminal organizations dedicated to steal expensive watches from wealthy people. It seems to me like since a year ago or so it was kind of frequent to hear someone got stolen their rolex that went around COP$50000000 (around US$12950). President, senators, ministers and the like are earning around the same amount each month, which is around 50x the minimum wage (and as with many "third world" countries, in many cases a minimum wage is the only income for an entire family). Not long ago there were children dying of starvation in the northest part of the country.

Colombia still rakes the top 10 of most unequal countries in the world [0], recently it was in the top 3.

[0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=C...

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#12
I understand there's a metaphor here, but clocks and watches are most associated with churches and religious institutions, who used them to keep track of prayer times; the nobility, who used them as demonstrations of wealth; and astronomers and sailors, who used them to precisely measure the stars. I suppose during the industrial revolution they were also associated with factories, but weren't owned by workers at the earlier stages.

If you were a worker during most of the industrial revolution, you probably tracked time using church bells, the clock in your workplace, the sun, or a man with a long pole who'd wake you up in time for your shift by tapping on your shutters. You wouldn't have a watch any more than a worker in 1968 would have a computer.

You would also likely face consequences for failing to turn up to church on your Sunday off.

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#13

Somewhat recently here in Bogotá police have learned of criminal organizations dedicated to steal expensive watches from wealthy people. It seems to me like since a year ago or so it was kind of frequent to hear someone got stolen their rolex that went around COP$50000000 (around US$12950). President, senators, ministers and the like are earning around the same amount each month, which is around 50x the minimum wage…

50 M pesos on a wrist, Gini 51.3 in the stats — same weight. Rolex doesn't tick, it tracks the gap

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#14
I think this article is a monumental example of confirmation bias, cherry-picking and wild inferences.

Watches were invented for the rich for the very reason the same article describes: it was the poor -- which was to say -- the farmers, who didn't really need to know their time, as general time of day is more than sufficient for farming. In addition, the church used to sound the time (the bell would be sound five times at 5PM etc.) On the other hand, a rich city-dweller might need to know how much time was left until an opera performance that begins at seven.

However, the difference is much more rural-urban than rich-poor. The worker needs to know when the factory he works at starts, but the factory owner also needs to know when the factory he owns starts. The artisan opening a shop needs to know when to open it, but the rich guy who buys some luxury item from the artisan (eg. a nice tailored suit) needs to know when the artisan shop closes.

Yes the wrist watch, was a worker's item, because it enabled him to look at the time while his hands were doing something else. Gentlemen wore pocket watches. But that has nothing to do with the general idea of a watch or time-keeping device.

There is also the old fashioned wall clock, which people who have more domestic lifestyles (traditionally, women) would use to tell the time. Bellow it sits the old fashioned calendar, which both of my grandmas check off ever morning. The person who was out and about would use still use the calendar in the morning and would know what day it was for the rest of the day (if that information mattered to him).

Much more often, the day that actually mattered is the day of the week, and I can always tell you what day of the week it is, and everyone always probably could (including farmers -- since they went to church on Sundays). In fact, the farmer's sense of date in the year was much more based around religious dates (days until Christmas, days until Easter, etc.) than on the Xth of September. Again, the difference becomes rural-urban, not rich-poor.

Finally, the reason the time is more important than the date is about biology and the social integration of biology. Your body needs to sleep, eat, and can do a certain amount of work in a fairly daily cycle. To keep society cohesive, we assign certain times for each activity. The date also matters but less so: it matters for farming, etc. but more so the season than the exact date.

As we urbanize, the gradations of time become more important: what minute is it? what day is it in September? This happens around both the date the time axis. The time of day is still more important, but the date of the month becomes more important than in was in rural society.

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#15
It baffled me a bit as the rich use watches, too, and they use them a lot, and they are acutely aware of passing time. Are other articles by the same author also addressing inequality issues?

So I found this:

https://prajyoth.pages.dev/article?id=2025-01-29-building-wi...

Apart from being partly written by AI, I wonder if it was written for humans because the code formulated in terribly long lines hidden behind scrolling bars. If anybody is considering writing content in this way, please don't.

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#16
> But unknowingly, my brain entered that deep-think mode like a Large Language Model by then.

That sentence is stupendously dumb, but is so 2025. Is he saying read no further, because the article is slop? Has he forgot what thinking is, and that LLMs don't do it (despite feature-branding decisions by their promoters)?

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#17

I think this article is a monumental example of confirmation bias, cherry-picking and wild inferences. Watches were invented for the rich for the very reason the same article describes: it was the poor -- which was to say -- the farmers, who didn't really need to know their time, as general time of day is more than sufficient for farming. In addition, the church used to sound the time (the bell would be sound five ti…

> Yes the wrist watch, was a worker's item, because it enabled him to look at the time while his hands were doing something else. Gentlemen wore pocket watches. But that has nothing to do with the general idea of a watch or time-keeping device.

It looks like you're wrong. It sounds like it was an upper-class women's item, then a military officer's item, then demands of trench warfare mad them an enlistedman's item, and demobilization finally erased the gender coding.

At no point in this history is there division between workers and gentlemen like you describe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch#Wristwatches

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#18

I think this article is a monumental example of confirmation bias, cherry-picking and wild inferences. Watches were invented for the rich for the very reason the same article describes: it was the poor -- which was to say -- the farmers, who didn't really need to know their time, as general time of day is more than sufficient for farming. In addition, the church used to sound the time (the bell would be sound five ti…

> Yes the wrist watch, was a worker's item, because it enabled him to look at the time while his hands were doing something else. Gentlemen wore pocket watches. But that has nothing to do with the general idea of a watch or time-keeping device. It looks like you're wrong. It sounds like it was an upper-class women's item, then a military officer's item, then demands of trench warfare mad them an enlistedman's item, a…

I was indeed wrong. Thanks for the info. And that makes the article even less correct. :)))

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#19

It baffled me a bit as the rich use watches, too, and they use them a lot, and they are acutely aware of passing time. Are other articles by the same author also addressing inequality issues? So I found this: https://prajyoth.pages.dev/article?id=2025-01-29-building-wi... Apart from being partly written by AI, I wonder if it was written for humans because the code formulated in terribly long lines hidden behind scrol…

Yup, LLM ghost-wrote the dead article—kept it as digital mulch while I figured out publish buttons. First real post is the one you’re roasting. History will decide if that’s irony or prophecy.

Re: Watches Are for the Poor

#20

> But unknowingly, my brain entered that deep-think mode like a Large Language Model by then. That sentence is stupendously dumb, but is so 2025. Is he saying read no further, because the article is slop? Has he forgot what thinking is, and that LLMs don't do it (despite feature-branding decisions by their promoters)?

Meant it as a joke on how fast we outsource our own voice—turns out the punch-line was me. Still, the dumb sentence got you to read the rest, so I’ll call it a successful typo.
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