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The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by lawgimenez »

motbus3 wrote: post #10
lawgimenez wrote: post #9

So, what exactly is wrong with UK having only 1/3 native brits? I’m Asian, I don’t get why the West is so concerned. If half of my country are expats immigrating, hell yeah. I don’t see the problem as long as everyone is contributing for the overall community and welfare of the country.

Where did you get that number from?

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

From DHH’s linked blog?

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by flowerbreeze »

motbus3 wrote: post #10
lawgimenez wrote: post #9

So, what exactly is wrong with UK having only 1/3 native brits? I’m Asian, I don’t get why the West is so concerned. If half of my country are expats immigrating, hell yeah. I don’t see the problem as long as everyone is contributing for the overall community and welfare of the country.

Where did you get that number from?

It was in the article, although referring to London, not to the entire country.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by rubzah »

DHH has great instincts when it comes to programming and technical projects, but he is not a very smart guy about anything else. Further, he is a bit of a low class buffoon. So just use his stuff and ignore whatever else he rants about on his own time and property, this is the only way to get by in life. You couldn't read a book, watch a movie, or enjoy any music, if you constantly had to vet the authors against your own political views.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by graemep »

tietjens wrote: post #2

I don't know why I'm surprised, but this blog does link to DHH actually complaining about the present-day ethnic makeup of London ("demographic nightmare") and contrasting it with Copenhagen. London is apparently too brown for DHH and he is clearly saying that you can't be a native Brit if you're not white. Repugnant and willfully idiotic.

As a non-white British person i have no problem with native meaning certain ethnicities - after all, no one would call a white American a native American.

What is very, very troubling is his idea that London of all places should be an ethnically white city. London has been multi-ethnic since the 70s or 80s, if not earlier. It is very much a world city.

The other thing is that he is Danish and seems to be projecting his feelings about Denmark onto Britain. He does not really understand how British people feel. The organiser of the march he praises is such as toxic figure for his blatant bigotry that the Reform Party (the most right wing party that has seats in Parliament) turned down a $100m donation from Elon Musk rather than allow him to join the party. e ethnic makeup does not bother any white Londoners I know (I grew up in London, so I do know a lot of people there). In fact, the only person I can recall complaining about it in real life was also foreign European.

The march was not actually that big. There have been many larger protests in London. From protests against the Iraq war (about five times the turnout), against the ban on huntings with dogs (nearly three times as many) and both pro and anti Brexit. It was by far the largest the far right has been able to organise, but they only managed that by labelling it a march for free speech (I do think there is a genuine problem with free speech in the UK, and I wish we had the sort of protections the US does).

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by motbus3 »

We all have been tricked to be sick of "social justice" as it has been purposefully exploited to exhaustion until no one cares any more. This is the same method and rhetoric applied through history.

No one measures how far megariches are getting from common folks and just point the guns where they can see because they are led through mediatic misformation campaigns.

It does not need to be a convoluted plan, but it is an opportunity where those same ones are using to sell their guns (oops I mean AI).

You all be killing each other very soon because you are believing in such campaigns for creating "the enemy".

There is no "enemy" who is worried if they'll be able to feed their kids tomorrow. You are being manipulated.

Once more. You are being manipulated. Wake up.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by motbus3 »

lawgimenez wrote: post #11
motbus3 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get that number from?

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. From DHH’s linked blog?

Yeah.. About that ... What is a "native Brit"? A white person? Isn't a 2nd or 3rd generation Londoner from Muslim or catholic background with non white skin a British?

I can't see how it was calculated but if you check government numbers, legal migrants are less than a 1% and illegal are not even close to that.

If you are worried about how much they cost, I'm sure they are less than the war in Russia, or many of the electoral campaigns for sure.

Are you sure this info is unbiased and well curated?

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by triceratops »

graemep wrote: post #14
tietjens wrote: post #2

I don't know why I'm surprised, but this blog does link to DHH actually complaining about the present-day ethnic makeup of London ("demographic nightmare") and contrasting it with Copenhagen. London is apparently too brown for DHH and he is clearly saying that you can't be a native Brit if you're not white. Repugnant and willfully idiotic.

As a non-white British person i have no problem with native meaning certain ethnicities - after all, no one would call a white American a native American. What is very, very troubling is his idea that London of all places should be an ethnically white city. London has been multi-ethnic since the 70s or 80s, if not earlier. It is very much a world city. The other thing is that he is Danish and seems to be projecting h…

> As a non-white British person i have no problem with native meaning certain ethnicities

It's not actually ethnicity he's talking about, it's skin color. Ethnicity is cultural.

Why exactly aren't people of any skin color who live in the UK, speak English, and believe in the full package of "Western values" (equality, freedom of speech, religion, rule of law etc) and "English behaviors" (queueing, tea, whatever) considered English? How many generations is enough to become "native"?

He thinks calling his views "far-right" and "racist" and "nazi"-adjacent is going too far because the Social Democrat Prime Minister of his country said the same thing (I actually don't know because the linked interview with Mette Fredriksen was in Danish). But that's how this stuff always begins. It's extremely worrisome.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by graemep »

lawgimenez wrote: post #11
motbus3 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get that number from?

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. From DHH’s linked blog?

London, not the UK.

White British plus white Irish make up 82% of the population of the UK. It is slightly complicated because the Irish are a native population in Northern Ireland and and immigrant one in Great Britain and there were slightly different ethnicity options in the census in Scotland to in England etc.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by cap11235 »

motbus3 wrote: post #16
lawgimenez wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. From DHH’s linked blog?

Yeah.. About that ... What is a "native Brit"? A white person? Isn't a 2nd or 3rd generation Londoner from Muslim or catholic background with non white skin a British? I can't see how it was calculated but if you check government numbers, legal migrants are less than a 1% and illegal are not even close to that. If you are worried about how much they cost, I'm sure they are less than the war in Russia, or many of the…

They are just responding to the post about the quotation. What's your problem?

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by lawgimenez »

motbus3 wrote: post #16
lawgimenez wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now. From DHH’s linked blog?

Yeah.. About that ... What is a "native Brit"? A white person? Isn't a 2nd or 3rd generation Londoner from Muslim or catholic background with non white skin a British? I can't see how it was calculated but if you check government numbers, legal migrants are less than a 1% and illegal are not even close to that. If you are worried about how much they cost, I'm sure they are less than the war in Russia, or many of the…

I’m not worried about anything. I ain’t even sure if DHH is correct in his tone. It’s more like something similar from the book I read about biker gang’s white supremacist.
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