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LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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> “To stave off some obvious comments: > yoUr'E PRoMPTiNg IT WRoNg! > Am I though?” Yes. You’re complaining that Gemini “shits the bed”, despite using 2.5 Flash (not Pro), without search or reasoning. It’s a fact that some models are smarter than others. This is a task that requires reasoning so the article is hard to take seriously when the author uses a model optimised for speed (not intelligence), and doesn’t even…

OP here. I literally opened up Gemini and used the defaults. If the defaults are shit, maybe don't offer them as the default?

Or, if LLMs are so smart, why doesn't it say "Hmmm, would you like to use a different model for this?"

Either way, disappointing.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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They are very good at some tasks and terrible at others.

I use LLMs for language-related work (translations, grammatical explanations etc) and they are top notch in that as long as you do not ask for references to particular grammar rules. In that case they will invent non-existent references.

They are also good for tutor personas: give me jj/git/emacs commands for this situation.

But they are bad in other cases.

I started scanning books recently and wanted to crop the random stuff outside an orange sheet of paper on which the book was placed before I handed the images over to ScanTailor Advanced (STA can do this, but I wanted to keep the original images around instead of the low-quality STA version). I spent 3-5 hours with Gemini 2.5 Pro (AI Studio) trying to get it to give me a series of steps (and finally a shell script) to get this working.

And it could not do it. It mixed up GraphicsMagick and ImageMagick commands. It failed even with libvips. Finally I asked it to provide a simple shell script where I would provide four pixel distances to crop from the four edges as arguments. This one worked.

I am very surprised that people are able to write code that requires actual reasoning ability using modern LLMs.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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The point from the end of the post that AI produces output that sounds correct is exactly what I try to emphasize to friends and family when explaining appropriate uses of LLMs. AI is great at tasks where sounding correct is the essence of the task (for example "change the style of this text"). Not so great when details matter and sounding correct isn't enough, which is what the author here seems to have rediscovered.

The most effective analogy I have found is comparing LLMs to theater and film actors. Everyone understands that, and the analogy offers actual predictive power. I elaborated on the idea if you're curious to read more:

https://jstrieb.github.io/posts/llm-thespians/

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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> Answering the question was a little tedious and subject to my tired human eyes making no mistakes

Who would do this manually? Concatenate the two lists and sort them. Use "uniq -c" to count the duplicate lines and grep to pull out the lines which occur twice. It would take a few seconds.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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They are very good at some tasks and terrible at others. I use LLMs for language-related work (translations, grammatical explanations etc) and they are top notch in that as long as you do not ask for references to particular grammar rules. In that case they will invent non-existent references. They are also good for tutor personas: give me jj/git/emacs commands for this situation. But they are bad in other cases. I s…

I think Gemini is one of the best example of an LLM that is in some cases the best and in some cases truly the worst.

I once asked it to read a postcard written by my late grandfather in Polish, as I was struggling to decipher it. It incorrectly identified the text as Romanian and kept insisting on that, even after I corrected it: "I understand you are insistent that the language is Polish. However, I have carefully analyzed the text again, and the linguistic evidence confirms it is Romanian. Because the vocabulary and alphabet are not Polish, I cannot read it as such." Eventually, after I continued to insist that it was indeed Polish, it got offended and told me it would not try again, accusing me of attempting to mislead it.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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> “To stave off some obvious comments: > yoUr'E PRoMPTiNg IT WRoNg! > Am I though?” Yes. You’re complaining that Gemini “shits the bed”, despite using 2.5 Flash (not Pro), without search or reasoning. It’s a fact that some models are smarter than others. This is a task that requires reasoning so the article is hard to take seriously when the author uses a model optimised for speed (not intelligence), and doesn’t even…

I just ran the same test on Gemini 2.5 pro (I assume it enables search by default, because it added a bunch of "sources") and got the exact same result as the author. It claims ".bdi" is the ccTLD for Burundi, which is false they have .bi[1]. It claims ".time" and ".article" are TLDs.

I think the authors point stands.

EDIT: I tried it with "Deep Research" too. Here it doesn't invent either TLDs or HTML Element, but the resulting list is incomplete.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bi

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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> "Something that describes how an AI is convincing if you don't understand its reasoning, and close to useless if you understand its limitations."

This made me laugh. Because it's the exact opposite sentiment of anti-LLM crowd. So which is it? Is it only useful if you know what you're doing or less useful if you know what you're doing?

> "I can't wait until I can jack into the Metaverse and buy an NFT with cryptocurrency just by using an LLM! Perhaps I can view it on my 3D TV by streaming it over WIMAX? I'd better stock up on quantum computers to make sure it all works."

In the author's attempt to be a smartass, they showed themselves. It makes them sound childish. Instead of just admitting they were wrong, they make some flippant remark about cryptocurrency and NFT'S, despite having vastly different purposes and goals and successes. Just take the L.

to add: "I shouldn't have to know anything about LLMs to use them correctly" is one heck of a take, but ok.

> "I don't. I hate the way this is being sold as a universal and magical tool. The reality doesn't live up to the hype."

And I hate the way in which people will do the opposite: claim it has no uses cases. It's literally the same sentiment, but in reverse. It's just as myopic and naive. But for whatever reason, we can look at a CEO hawking it and think "They're just trying to make more money" but can't see the flipside of devs not wanting to lose their livelihoods to something. We have just as much to lose as they have to gain, but want to pretend like we're objective.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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>This is a pretty simple question to answer. Take two lists and compare them.

This continues a pattern as old as home computing: The author does not understand the task themselves, consequently "holds the computer wrong", and then blames the machine.

No "lists" were being compared. The LLM does not have a "list of TLDs" in its memory that it just refers to when you ask it. If you haven't grokked this very fundamental thing about how these LLMs work, then the problem is really, distinctly, on your end.

Re: LLMs are still surprisingly bad at some simple tasks

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I wanted to check the prime factors of 1966 the other day so I googled it and it led me to https://brightchamps.com/en-us/math/numbers/factors-of-1966 , a site that seems focussed on number facts. It confidently states that prime factors of 1966 are 2, 3, 11, and 17. For fun I tried to multiply these numbers back in my head and concluded there's no way that 6 * 187 could reach 1966.

That's when I realized this site was making heavy use of AI. Sadly, lots of people are going to trust but not verify...

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