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AI tools are making the world look weird

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Re: AI tools are making the world look weird

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Interesting that the responses from ChatGPT on the World Values Survey correlated most closely with the responses from Australians and New Zealanders.

I imagine the culture of HRLF trainers affects things. Maybe there’s disproportionally more of them from Oz/NZ, as native English-speaking countries with possibly lower wages?

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Ummm... doesn't the AI have to scrape the data of those non- WEIRD cultures to work then? What am I missing here? There are parts of the world where constant person-electronic connection isn't a thing. Is that your point?

I don’t have the data but I assume the corpus available to train an LLM is majorly in English, written by Americans and western counterparts. If we’re training the LLMs to sound similar to the training data, I imagine the responses have to match that world view. My anecdote is that before LLMs I would default to search Google in English instead of my own native language simply because there was so much more content i…

And the RHLF was directed by Californians, and so the "values" are likely very California.

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Ummm... doesn't the AI have to scrape the data of those non- WEIRD cultures to work then? What am I missing here? There are parts of the world where constant person-electronic connection isn't a thing. Is that your point?

“Fancy autocomplete better at completing documents similar to ones it has seen before” isn’t as headline-worthy.

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Can’t recommend the book that coined this acronym enough: The WEIRDest People in the World Book by Joseph Henrich. It is such an eye-opening piece that explains so much of the world around us. He’s an anthropologist that goes into the psychology of it all. Touching on points like how religion plays a part in shaping the America of today and even how humans are worst at discerning faces today because we need to discer…

> One of the wildest claims in there is the one that the north of Italy is more developed today because it was part of the Holy Roman Empire while the south wasn’t. About a thousand years separate these and he finds effects still. I would note that the north and south of Italy have very different geography and climate. Which can be upstream of all sorts of things, culturally. The geography of Italy's two halves suppo…

Also that Italy has only been a single country for a couple hundred years [0], so there will obviously still be regional differences.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_of_Italy

Re: AI tools are making the world look weird

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Interesting that the responses from ChatGPT on the World Values Survey correlated most closely with the responses from Australians and New Zealanders.

I expect (as TFA says) that they would most closely align with Californians, but that isn't in the data.

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WEIRD here stands for "Western, Educated, Industrialised, Rich, Democratic".

I’ve seen a massive uptick in the use of ‘weird’ as an insult (charitably because all the old insults get you shadowbanned on social media, less charitably because conformism is what the mainstream values more than anything), so the author isn’t even pretending to hide their agenda here.

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There is undoubtedly a real effect here, but IMHO one problem with the original article is that it treats the US as the only reference point.

On the one hand, this reflects the US dominant position in world affairs and the fact that probably most of the training materials come from there.

But on the other hand, there are some outlier results that are left unexplained. For example, ChatGPT is even more aligned with Japan than with the US.

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Can’t recommend the book that coined this acronym enough: The WEIRDest People in the World Book by Joseph Henrich. It is such an eye-opening piece that explains so much of the world around us. He’s an anthropologist that goes into the psychology of it all. Touching on points like how religion plays a part in shaping the America of today and even how humans are worst at discerning faces today because we need to discer…

I haven't read the book but it sounds really interesting. Regarding tone though,

> monogamy is to blame for a lot of our western views today

Does the author use the word "blame" to mean "the reason for" or do they present it as a critique of monogamy? Not a big deal, just made me curious when I saw that.

Re: AI tools are making the world look weird

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Interesting that the responses from ChatGPT on the World Values Survey correlated most closely with the responses from Australians and New Zealanders.

I imagine the culture of HRLF trainers affects things. Maybe there’s disproportionally more of them from Oz/NZ, as native English-speaking countries with possibly lower wages?

I had heard that a lot of human feedback was being provided by people in Nigeria, as it has a very large English speaking population (owing to its history as a British colony) while also having low wages. This was the explanation given as to why ChatGPT seemed to use the word "delve" so often, apparently it's used much more frequently in business contexts there.

Possible that they're using different sources of feedback for different training though

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