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Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

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Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

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Post by HEmanZ »

My biggest gripe with this is the reasoning for “no, AI is not going to take everyone’s jobs.”

Obviously the state of “workers and AI together” comes first. So there’s not going to be some strawman cliff where suddenly all jobs are replaced in a month.

But people like him lay out this future and then act like AI just stops there. Of course there will be an intermediate state. And then that state will be passed over as AI move further up the chain and humans are eliminated from office labor entirely.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#12

Post by d3ckard »

HEmanZ wrote: post #11

My biggest gripe with this is the reasoning for “no, AI is not going to take everyone’s jobs.” Obviously the state of “workers and AI together” comes first. So there’s not going to be some strawman cliff where suddenly all jobs are replaced in a month. But people like him lay out this future and then act like AI just stops there. Of course there will be an intermediate state. And then that state will be passed over a…

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today.

I don’t think this is the case.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#13

Post by mosura »

candiddevmike wrote: post #7
anoojb wrote: post #2

Honest question — why is the CEO of a Enterprise cloud storage company so out in the public touting the benefits of AI? Conversely, why aren't the senior leaders of Google Drive, SharePoint, etc. so consistently speaking about the benefits of AI? A couple top of mind thoughts on the range of outcomes: -Perhaps it's more of a requisite function of a company that went through a long phase of mild-growth (even anemic re…

When was the last time Box was relevant? Dropbox is struggling, can only imagine what Box is going through. Their stock isn't great and the outlook is "limited growth".

“Feature not a product” looks like it was right in the long run.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#14

Post by beeflet »

d3ckard wrote: post #12
HEmanZ wrote: post #11

My biggest gripe with this is the reasoning for “no, AI is not going to take everyone’s jobs.” Obviously the state of “workers and AI together” comes first. So there’s not going to be some strawman cliff where suddenly all jobs are replaced in a month. But people like him lay out this future and then act like AI just stops there. Of course there will be an intermediate state. And then that state will be passed over a…

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today. I don’t think this is the case.

It will be encodable in what we call AI tomorrow

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#15

Post by jaccola »

beeflet wrote: post #14
d3ckard wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today. I don’t think this is the case.

It will be encodable in what we call AI tomorrow

Except not literally tomorrow, of course. So you might as well say 1 million years from now...

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#16

Post by gyanchawdhary »

plasticsoprano wrote: post #10

Man you guys are pessimistic and stuck in your bubbles. Asking if box is relevant when they’ve had growth the last two quarters while Dropbox is on the verge of seeing a drop in numbers. Yes ms and Google are seeing more but the product box is putting out is light years ahead of Dropbox, egnyte, and, honesty, most of FAANG, in terms of supporting the average office worker. They aren’t building sexy AI coders but they…

Sue Ellen, the EA to the VP of fuckall .. I died

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#17

Post by tjs8rj »

d3ckard wrote: post #12
HEmanZ wrote: post #11

My biggest gripe with this is the reasoning for “no, AI is not going to take everyone’s jobs.” Obviously the state of “workers and AI together” comes first. So there’s not going to be some strawman cliff where suddenly all jobs are replaced in a month. But people like him lay out this future and then act like AI just stops there. Of course there will be an intermediate state. And then that state will be passed over a…

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today. I don’t think this is the case.

AI and technology is already replacing jobs.

The way this manifests isn’t mass layoffs after an AI is implemented, it’s fewer people being hired at any given scale because you can go further with fewer people.

Companies making billions in revenue with under 10k employees, some under 5k or even under 1k.

This is absorbed by there being more and more opportunities because the cost of starting a new company and getting revenue decreases too as labor productivity increases.

Jobs that would otherwise exist get replaced. Jobs at companies that otherwise wouldn’t exist get created.

And in the long run until it’s just unprofitable to employ humans (when the max their productivity is worth relative to AI falls below a living wage), humans will continue working side by side with AGI as even relatively unproductive workers (compared to AI) will still be net productive.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#18

Post by th0ma5 »

tjs8rj wrote: post #17
d3ckard wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today. I don’t think this is the case.

AI and technology is already replacing jobs. The way this manifests isn’t mass layoffs after an AI is implemented, it’s fewer people being hired at any given scale because you can go further with fewer people. Companies making billions in revenue with under 10k employees, some under 5k or even under 1k. This is absorbed by there being more and more opportunities because the cost of starting a new company and getting…

We can't prove why people are being replaced, and the people who claimed to have replaced people with AI don't have a lot of good outcomes. Now there is some success but... it is bespoke to that environment often, so, your reasons would be sound if the premise was. We need more information.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

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Post by WaltPurvis »

mandeepj wrote: post #5

From the video: a lot of new companies are going to start Well, there is this as well - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/openai-board-chair-doubles-do... Altman was touring globally to raise $7T (yes, trillion), just a few months ago. So, not sure if they are purposefully trying to scare off people.

>Altman was touring globally to raise $7T (yes, trillion), just a few months ago.

A few points about that: It wasn't just a few months ago, it was more than a year ago; he wasn't raising funds for OpenAI, it was for a separate chip-building venture; the $7T number was universally regarded as laughable, and the whole thing has predictably gone nowhere; and, FWIW, both OpenAI and Altman have publicly denied that he was ever trying to raise such a comical amount.

Re: Aaron Levie: Startups win in the AI era [video]

#20

Post by est31 »

tjs8rj wrote: post #17
d3ckard wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe with your reasoning is a hidden assumption that everything humans do is easily encodable in what we call AI today. I don’t think this is the case.

AI and technology is already replacing jobs. The way this manifests isn’t mass layoffs after an AI is implemented, it’s fewer people being hired at any given scale because you can go further with fewer people. Companies making billions in revenue with under 10k employees, some under 5k or even under 1k. This is absorbed by there being more and more opportunities because the cost of starting a new company and getting…

> (when the max their productivity is worth relative to AI falls below a living wage), humans will continue working side by side with AGI as even relatively unproductive workers

This assumes that humans will be unwilling to work if their wage is below living. It depends on the social programs of the government, but if there is none, or only very bad ones, people will probably be more desperate and thus be more willing to work in even the cheapest jobs.

So in this overabundance of human labor world, the cost of human labor might be much closer to zero than living wage. It all depends on how desperate to find work government policy will make humans.

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