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Four Fallacies of Modern AI

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I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself. > Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it. I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found th…

> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it.

I never under stand these kinds of statements.

Does the sun not exist until we have a word for it, did "under the rock" not exist for dinosaurs?

Re: Four Fallacies of Modern AI

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> The primary counterargument can be framed in terms of Rich Sutton's famous essay, "The Bitter Lesson," which argues that the entire history of AI has taught us that attempts to build in human-like cognitive structures (like embodiment) are always eventually outperformed by general methods that just leverage massive-scale computation

This reminds me Douglas Hofstadter, of the Gödel, Escher, Bach fame. He rejected all of this statistical approaches towards creating intelligence and dug deep into the workings of human mind [1]. Often, in the most eccentric ways possible.

> ... he has bookshelves full of these notebooks. He pulls one down—it’s from the late 1950s. It’s full of speech errors. Ever since he was a teenager, he has captured some 10,000 examples of swapped syllables (“hypodeemic nerdle”), malapropisms (“runs the gambit”), “malaphors” (“easy-go-lucky”), and so on, about half of them committed by Hofstadter himself.

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> For Hofstadter, they’re clues. “Nobody is a very reliable guide concerning activities in their mind that are, by definition, subconscious,” he once wrote. “This is what makes vast collections of errors so important. In an isolated error, the mechanisms involved yield only slight traces of themselves; however, in a large collection, vast numbers of such slight traces exist, collectively adding up to strong evidence for (and against) particular mechanisms.”

I don't know when, where, and how the next leap in AGI will come through, but it's just very likely, it will be through brute-force computation (unfortunately). So much for fifty years of observing Freudian slips.

[1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/11/the-man...

Re: Four Fallacies of Modern AI

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I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself. > Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it. I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found th…

I think this might be the paper being referenced:

Melanie Mitchell (2021) "Why AI is Harder Than We Think." https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.12871

That sentence is not from this paper.

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know. There’s a big difference being able to navigate the 80% of everyday driving situations and doing the 20% most people manage just fine but cars struggle with. There’s a road in these parts: narrow, twisty in three dimensions, unmarked, trees close to the road. Gets jolly slippery in the winter. I can drive that road in the middle of the night in sleet. Can an autonomous car?

i think it can figure it out.

Yes but why should it?

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I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself. > Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it. I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found th…

*skip to slavery

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> a fully self-driving car remains stubbornly just over the horizon Someone should let Waymo, Zoox, Pony.ai, Apollo Go, and even Tesla know!

I let them know today — when i laid on my horn while passing a Waymo stopped at a green light blocking the left turn lane — with its right blinker on.

Re: Tesla, this company paid me nearly $250,000 under multiple lemon law claims for their “self driving” software issues i identified that affected safety.

We all know what happened with Cruise, which was after i declared myself constructively dismissed.

I think the characterization in the article is fair, “self driving” is not quite there yet.

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I've always had the feeling that AI researchers want to build their own human without having to change diapers being part of the process. Just skip to adulthood please, and learn to drive a car without having experience in bumping into things and hurting yourself. > Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it. I wonder if this is a statement from the discussed paper or from the blog author. Haven't found th…

> Language doesn't just describe reality; it creates it. I never under stand these kinds of statements. Does the sun not exist until we have a word for it, did "under the rock" not exist for dinosaurs?

There are some folks (like Donald Hoffman) that believe that consciousness is what creates reality. He believes consciousness is the base layer of reality and then we make up physical reality.

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This article seems to fall straight into the trap it aims to warn us about. All this talk about "true" understanding, embodiment, etc. is needless antropomorphizing.

A much better framework for thinking about intelligence is simply as the ability to make predictions about the world (including conditional ones like "what will happen if we take this action"). Whether it's achieved through "true understanding" (however you define it; I personally doubt you can) or "mimicking" bears no relevance for most of the questions about the impact of AI we are trying to answer.

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> a fully self-driving car remains stubbornly just over the horizon Someone should let Waymo, Zoox, Pony.ai, Apollo Go, and even Tesla know!

I let them know today — when i laid on my horn while passing a Waymo stopped at a green light blocking the left turn lane — with its right blinker on. Re: Tesla, this company paid me nearly $250,000 under multiple lemon law claims for their “self driving” software issues i identified that affected safety. We all know what happened with Cruise, which was after i declared myself constructively dismissed. I think the ch…

I need to ask because I'm curious, are you using em-dashes ironically, habitually from the Before Times, or did you run your comment through chatgpt first? Or have I been brainwashed into emdash == AI always?

Re: Four Fallacies of Modern AI

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This article seems to fall straight into the trap it aims to warn us about. All this talk about "true" understanding, embodiment, etc. is needless antropomorphizing. A much better framework for thinking about intelligence is simply as the ability to make predictions about the world (including conditional ones like "what will happen if we take this action"). Whether it's achieved through "true understanding" (however…

Predict and create, that's all that matters.
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