Vibe coding is fine. It can make junior coders work like a team of junior coders, and senior coders work like they have a team. All the problems associated with having a team of juniors you didn't vet, can't trust, and must always review come with it... but that's an economic trade off. The value is real.
All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme
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#12Yeah, at this point, it's certainly annoying.
But to be fair, this technology is still at an early stage, and we don't know it's limits.
It's scary to imagine a future where the development process in companies is fully handled by AI agents, which are the only ones who can read and maintain the code.
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#13I made a strategic choice to focus on ‘vibe coding’ rather than using platforms like n8n, aiming to pick up something new with each project I build. From familiarity with terminal, github, heroku + postgres, etc.
I'm still vibe coding in terms of syntax and logic, but I do understand my codebase, and have made some excellent automations at work.
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#15> at first i was very hopeful i can finally 'build' now with my minimal tech skills This is the problem. If you couldn't have coded it slowly in the old world, you will have problems coding it in AI world. However if you have a lot of coding experience, you can now compress the time it would have taken you be an enormous amount. My experience is that I can now make extensive changes with very little effort, and very…
This will be a big problem in the future if it means more companies choosing not to hire/train juniors.
Eventually all the experienced people will be dead or retired.
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#16I think there is one thing that most people miss, obviously!
=> You can use AI to double-check (not single check), avoid overengineering, fill knowledge gaps, scan for inconsistencies and many more things. The main benefit it has for me is not that it codes me stuff real fast. It is that my learning curve improved, drastically, whenever I have a missunderstanding. I dive down and test it. Sometimes AI is wrong and I have to go to docs, sometimes docs are wrong and I have to test and I have to open a issue.
If you combine AI capabilities with debugging skills and testing you have a lot of power as developer nowadays. Its a lot of fun.
To me it seems like most things tend to develop to: It’s more fair. If you are lazy and try to do a shorcut you’ll be punished with wasted time and a lot of frustration. If you try to do thing conscientiousnessly and take ownership for the code you push, publish and run. You’ll learn faster, improve faster, ship faster and have way less headache.
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#17I was at a coffee shop a little while ago with some friends and a stranger was sitting near us working on his laptop. Someone from our group decided to strike up a conversation with him and the stranger started telling us about how now they have these AI tools that can have you make an app in a few hours and without knowing how to code. He was not a software person but look at what he is able to do with it. The implication was that he has an idea and was going to make it a reality as quickly as possible using whatever AI tools he was using.
I am not sure what the moral of the story is but it reminds me a bit of that parable about the investor getting his shoes shined and the shoe shine kid giving him investment advice.
Partially I think the idea of an app being so valuable that it makes money without being connected to anything is just not really a thing. Some games (Flappy Bird anyone?) can be like that or some very specific type of lifestyle app, but for the most part you need a real world service connected or it will not be seen as valuable. But perhaps I am wrong.
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#18The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…
Absolutely. It's augmentation not automation, it does what I want or it gets the hose again.
You make the framework and it colours in the lines. If you don't draw the pattern first you're going to get a kindergarten mess. There are times I'm amazed by its suggestions but it will also cheat and "lie" and if you're not paying attention, you'll miss it.
But these days many tasks for me consist of: I need this, look how I did it here before, and follow this exact pattern through to the end and write tests, too. And the results are usually exactly what I would have done. Because it is an excellent mimic. But if I hadn't put the work into the framework, it would be awful.
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#19I sit on a few indie hacker rooms with folks that slurped up the vibe coding koolaid immediately and they've been posting about their 100x output for over a year now - but none of them have shipped anything remotely successful - so I think at least anecdotally I somewhat agree. I also just overall haven't seen a huge influx of new and useful apps and websites as you'd expect based on how tech leaders are talking abou…
As some other people here have put it in previous discussions about claims from AI companies, if they really believed what they were saying about replacing developers, they wouldn't be hiring.
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#20Meh.
The greater scam here is that rugged individualism can lead to positive societal outcomes.
Just more free market capitalism, bro! We just need more freedom for the tech bros, the finance bros, bro!
This AI shit is yet another oh look - increase in rugged individual 'productivity' is going to lead to positive societal outcomes, trust me, bro!
It's all bullshit but what else have the western retarded elite got? Or non-western elites for that matter? USA is USSR 2.0 - falling apart from the retarded short-sighted incompetence and selfishness of its sociopathic 'elites'. China will be USSR 3.0 in a generation or two.
It's all so terribly tedious, boring and cruel - the monumental amounts of wasted opportunity and resources because everyone's too busy being 'productive' to ever spend a decade or two to actually think through anything and come up with potential real solutions to real problems. The average 'elite' doesn't even know what the real problems are or how to begin finding out what they might be - they probably think it's climate change or more likely - how to make sure they retain their billions. Oh well, so it goes.