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Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

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Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

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This sounds like a classical techies/non-techies problem. The techies are trying to implement something, in this case a wiki, that is an unknown concept to everyone else. And since the techies "get it" they expect everyone else to get it too. The thing is that to the rest of the organisation there are probably the following problems: - they don't know what a wiki is, and they don't much care. Even though they use wik…

I'd also add that if a new user sees inaccurate/out-of-date information they are very unlikely to ever trust the reliability of the wiki again. Something we're trying is asking those sympathetic to our wiki cause spot-check the wiki periodically to catch and fix glaring mistakes.

(I know, I know the idea of a wiki is a collaborative one, but you must take baby steps, especially in a large organization.)

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

#12
A lot of management types don't really grok that an email can be written by a machine, let alone that a web page can be generated as opposed to written by hand. I am certain half the automated reports I send out, many of the recipients think I am drawing the graphs and tables in Excel, cutting and pasting them into Outlook and sending them (ermm, at midnight every night).

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

#13
Try and get them in to a "gotcha" moment: The next time they ask some question already answered on the wiki, point them to it, instead of giving them the answer (unless it's critical that they need the answer RIGHT NOW).

Nudge 'em to explore, and then go to the next step by telling them they can edit all and everything, and add new pages.

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

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This sounds like a classical techies/non-techies problem. The techies are trying to implement something, in this case a wiki, that is an unknown concept to everyone else. And since the techies "get it" they expect everyone else to get it too. The thing is that to the rest of the organisation there are probably the following problems: - they don't know what a wiki is, and they don't much care. Even though they use wik…

Where I work, I've noticed several trends:

- Duplicate work; as long as the wiki doesn't replace existing processes, placing things there is simply additional work. Moreover, because it's additional, there's no guarantee that any desired piece of information will exist in the wiki.

- People don't like not having an "owner" to a document, especially regarding private edits and such.

- Wiki's make you search for a topic (i.e. they require work), whereas email threads are pushed to you by others motivated enough to CC. Unfortunately, my motivation in tracking an issue will never be the same as the person directly affected by the issue.

- Mostly, however, wiki's don't provide a substantial functionality improvement to what I'm now going to dub the "enterprise wiki": i.e., Word documents on a shared drive. Here, Windows provides structure (well, technically Solaris does, but it's accessed by the user via Windows Explorer), while Word provides the standard document editing interface (although we do work with many document types).

The main drawbacks are terrible search, manual (and content limited) revision control, and an inability to track updates.

The main upsides are a rich editing environment for documents (compare Word to a textarea), support for any document format (don't like doc files? Use something else), and the opportunity for private collaboration & edits without implementing temporary ACLs (i.e., copy a file to the local drive, and email back and forth until publishable).

Personally, I think wiki's are great for collaboration between a heterogeneous, dispersed population. However, at the large corporation where I work, Word + Explorer is a ironic example of the worse-is-better Unix approach (many tools, barely working together) clearly beating the wiki/web-based Monolithic design.

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

#16
What you are facing is a standard problem in adaptation of technology. What most techies think usable might not be that much usable by non-techie user. As far as wiki is concerned, I find it challenging to use a wiki even being a techie. The obnoxious syntax of wiki is sufficient to scare away several users. As you mentioned, people like to send email, I would suggest creating a separate mailbox for leave applications and then writing bunch of scripts to parse the email and put the email in wiki, db or whatever you want to. Second option is to use a CMS and create web form, as most CMS have support for forms and reporting built in. I have done this with drupal couple of times and the solution has been received well by non-techies. In the end, what ever comments you receive on this thread will turn out to be useless if you are not willing to understand the reason why non-techies are not using the wiki ? Few minutes spent with the end user will save you several hours of developing and deploying a solution that will not be used by non-technies...

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

#17
Um, I'm techie enough, but I don't get it myself. I mean, if you are already using some sort of knowledge base then yes, it should be a wiki, I get that. (Wiki is the closest thing of the original idea of what HTML browsers were created for: cross-referenced knowledge bases.) But if you don't, then not, because in my experience maintaining a knowledge base never really works.

The basic thing is the following: you can only trust data from those software where users have no way of avoiding entering the data. Example: ERP. The truck is waiting there, you need to print a shipment note because the damn truck won't take the goods without it, and the system won't let you print a shipment note before you put in all the data that lets the system amend the stock levels, mark the sales order as shipped etc. Such as system can enforce data entry, you find the data you need in such a system.

Similarly, e-mails are reliable, because if you want to communicate something to another person that's too long for a phone call, you have to send an e-mail. So you will find the information in your e-mails.

But what enforces entering data into a wiki? Just rules won't work.

Re: Ask HN: Why do non-techies simply not "get" the idea of a wiki?

#20
I see the opposite problem - Customers want "wikis" and "blogs", but don't really know what they are, or don't fully understand the implications (e.g. "on our corporate wiki anyone can write anything they want? what if they write something bad!?").
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