Don't have to announce layoffs if you can make a few percent quit.
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Microsoft is officially sending employees back to the office
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#12Microsoft: Microsoft updates flexible work expectations to three days a week in the office https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45183560
Verge: Microsoft Mandates a Return to Office https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184017
Geekwire: Microsoft sets new RTO policy, requiring employees in the office 3 days per week https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45184032
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#13Can't tell if this affects Github employees as well? I was under impression that they don't actually have offices to “return to”.
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#14Don't have to announce layoffs if you can make a few percent quit.
It's clearly a combination of stealth layoffs and "because we can" attitude by a lot of C-suite right now.
Labor market is soft, so they will take as much as they can while they can, on the status quo bias of "in-office must be more productive, especially if employees don't like it".
It's the dumbest form of stealth layoffs as it's random untargetted regarding the company's actual department/role staffing needs.
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#15Can't tell if this affects Github employees as well? I was under impression that they don't actually have offices to “return to”.
I assume that any GitHub employee within 50 miles of a Microsoft office will be expected to commute.
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#16It mentions this was based on some “data” (in emailsto employees) that it will yield better output but I somehow doubt it. I wonder what happens with the stock. It sort of makes it worse for the teams that are distributed and harms collab between sites in different zones like Europe/Asia and US/Europe. When you are working from home it is easy to stay later or start earlier and join calls. If you are in the office this is not that easy due to commute.
Given that MS does not have top salaries, my bet is that folks will leave to other companies given that the main leverage like WFH is gone.
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#17This announcement is pretty much meaningless, as it's completely up to the VPs of a given org to set the policy. Many teams have already been back 3-5 days a week for over a year, and exceptions aren't hard to get if you're a senior+ employee or otherwise have considerations that prevent this from being feasible.
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#18Can't tell if this affects Github employees as well? I was under impression that they don't actually have offices to “return to”.
I assume that any GitHub employee within 50 miles of a Microsoft office will be expected to commute.
Would they have space? Considering that Github was always remote, that's a lot of people to fit into existing space. Though I guess it depends on how many Github employees are within 50 miles of Redmond.
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#19Microsoft is committed to becoming as terrible as Amazon, I guess.
Folks at Amazon at least earn more.
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#20Maybe they don’t even want to rely on Microsoft Teams internally anymore…
No need for Teams, this was a Covid thing. Now all bets on Copilot. Bit with all that capex actual souls must leave the machine to make more space gor ai chips.