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Spotify hasn't refused at all. They don't say anything, but a non-employee specifically links to a page where people can upvote the idea to help get it implemented.
Flagged because there is nothing of value for HN here, this is just a random feature request.
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I think with stem separation,you could potentially train a model. But the latest Suno is really good. You can still kind of "hear" it. I had a song come into my playlist. "The Dad Bods Pop Punk". I have a keen ear, and I listened to the song a couple of times when I realized it. When I went to the artist it was a bunch of AI-generated pictures and listening to the other ones it's clear it's AI.
Youtube is being overloaded by such playlists. They become obvious after listening to them for a bit. There is something jarring in them which makes them kinda annoying.
I shudder.
So the better solution is to set up Navidrome, "acquire" 1TB of music. Look for discographies, top 10k, stuff you like. Use a reverse proxy to a cheap VPS or Cloudflare. (Ssh port forward from Navidrome to VPS 127.0.0.1, and have nginx handle reverse proxy. Put it in systemd unit to autoreconnect) Then you can listen to whatever you want. Im all for paying for good content or service. But I quit paying for companies…
> But I quit paying for companies to abuse me. Seems like a stretch, no? How are streaming music companies abusing users?
AI slop music.
Reducing library.
Removing artists.
Its the standard enshittification playbook.
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> But I quit paying for companies to abuse me. Seems like a stretch, no? How are streaming music companies abusing users?
Raising rates. AI slop music. Reducing library. Removing artists. Its the standard enshittification playbook.
They very infrequently raise their rates, and I feel like I'm paying an acceptable rate.
I have yet to notice AI generated music infiltrating my feeds.
I rarely encounter them removing an artist I can't listen to.
I may be rare, but I just don't see the problems you're raising.
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Raising rates. AI slop music. Reducing library. Removing artists. Its the standard enshittification playbook.
I am not affiliated with Spotify, but I pay for their services. They very infrequently raise their rates, and I feel like I'm paying an acceptable rate. I have yet to notice AI generated music infiltrating my feeds. I rarely encounter them removing an artist I can't listen to. I may be rare, but I just don't see the problems you're raising.
So the better solution is to set up Navidrome, "acquire" 1TB of music. Look for discographies, top 10k, stuff you like. Use a reverse proxy to a cheap VPS or Cloudflare. (Ssh port forward from Navidrome to VPS 127.0.0.1, and have nginx handle reverse proxy. Put it in systemd unit to autoreconnect) Then you can listen to whatever you want. Im all for paying for good content or service. But I quit paying for companies…
> But I quit paying for companies to abuse me. Seems like a stretch, no? How are streaming music companies abusing users?
There are other warts though:
- They're paying out the lowest to artists by far when it comes to streams
- Artist impersonation issues
- Botted playlists
- Daniel Ek investing his fortune into AI drone military defense company Helsing
- The nascent issue of AI music / artists (see The Velvet Sundown)
For me it is moreso that all of this adds up to artists getting the squeeze, and I'd rather try to find ways to better support them.
So the better solution is to set up Navidrome, "acquire" 1TB of music. Look for discographies, top 10k, stuff you like. Use a reverse proxy to a cheap VPS or Cloudflare. (Ssh port forward from Navidrome to VPS 127.0.0.1, and have nginx handle reverse proxy. Put it in systemd unit to autoreconnect) Then you can listen to whatever you want. Im all for paying for good content or service. But I quit paying for companies…
> But I quit paying for companies to abuse me. Seems like a stretch, no? How are streaming music companies abusing users?
- The entire SOTA ML algo is 'how to min(cost) while just avoiding churn' - not play what you actually want. Just don't annoy you enough that you quit
- This means serving endless covers of hit (real) songs that cost them pennies on the dollar given cover artists don't get custom negotiated deals
- This means producing their own drivel in key categories[1] to avoid royalty payments outright
- It is not a huge leap from producing drivel to producing genAI drivel if it satisfies the equation above
[1] - https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/spotify-is-creating-i...
This is a poorly titled HN submission. This isn't what's happened, if you read the post - A user asked about being able to do this. Spotify claimed it isn't currently a feature, however they have a feature request that the requester can add their voice to if so inclined.
HN title is incorrect and clickbait. Spotify hasn't refused at all. They don't say anything, but a non-employee specifically links to a page where people can upvote the idea to help get it implemented. Flagged because there is nothing of value for HN here, this is just a random feature request.
This is a poorly titled HN submission. This isn't what's happened, if you read the post - A user asked about being able to do this. Spotify claimed it isn't currently a feature, however they have a feature request that the requester can add their voice to if so inclined.