> A classified Pentagon review later concluded the killings were justified under the rules of engagement, the report said. Justified against unarmed civilians?
Killing unarmed civilians is SOP for the US military.
NYT says US special forces killed North Korean civilians in botched 2019 mission
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#13> A classified Pentagon review later concluded the killings were justified under the rules of engagement, the report said. Justified against unarmed civilians?
Wait until you find out how many unarmed germans died in ww2.
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#14> A classified Pentagon review later concluded the killings were justified under the rules of engagement, the report said. Justified against unarmed civilians?
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That's indeed how it usually goes with these lunatics.
1) Commit war crime.
2) Face the music for a moment.
3) Go to a friendly podcast and raise support (just say you have trauma and pain, and the people you've killed were animals anyway).
4) Become a free man.
5) Optionally for Seals: write a book with a chapter about hell week (can be done @ step 2 as well)
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#16Makes those forces seem a lot less "special" if their highly trained SEALs on their super secret mission can get startled by a bunch of fishers probably going about their daily routine.
Truly outstanding planning, reconnaissance, and decision-making in the field. If I ever need some guys in swimwear taken out, I know who to call.
North Korean media likes to depict US soldiers as what can only be summarized as cruel demons. Depictions of US soldiers torturing and killing civilians are especially common[1]. If they were ever warming up to the west, this incident among others should serve as a good reminder to not alter course.
> [..] talks have fallen apart and North Korea has forged ahead with its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile program.
I'd build more nuclear weapons as fast as I could as well if that's who I'm dealing with.
[1] Some examples of North Korean anti-American propaganda for your viewing pleasure: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/north-korea-anti-american-p...
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#17> The civilians appeared to be diving for shellfish when they inadvertently came across the detachment of SEALs as they splashed ashore at night, the Times reported. The American forces opened fire, killing all those aboard the small fishing vessel, the report said, without specifying the number of casualties. [...] A classified Pentagon review later concluded the killings were justified under the rules of engagement, the report said.
Can someone explain?
Were they believed to be militants? Were they recognized as civilians but they took up weapons? Is there a rule that you can kill a non-militant who might raise the alarm to militants, even if not at war? Were there unusual orders in effect for this mission? Something else?
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#18> A classified Pentagon review later concluded the killings were justified under the rules of engagement, the report said. Justified against unarmed civilians?
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Geneva Convention articles allow targeting civilians only when they directly participate in hostilities. Other than that, a willful killing of civilians is always a war crime. The Pentagon setting its own rules of engagement does not change anything.
Following the same rules, civilian defender in the US will find him/herself in prison very quickly. Ability, opportunity and intent will not be proven by stating that the defender felt threatened.
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#19When confronted with the story today in the Oval Office Trump said: "I don't know anything about it".
Delivered with the same bland expression he uses when he's clearly lying.
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#20Makes those forces seem a lot less "special" if their highly trained SEALs on their super secret mission can get startled by a bunch of fishers probably going about their daily routine. Truly outstanding planning, reconnaissance, and decision-making in the field. If I ever need some guys in swimwear taken out, I know who to call. North Korean media likes to depict US soldiers as what can only be summarized as cruel d…
Those weren't Marines