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America Needs Tough Grading

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Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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Absolutely tone deaf article when the whole US Presidency, half of Congress and half of Senate are promoting incompetence and punishing any experience. What is the goal of "tough grading" when they, and a majority of the population, actively despise any kind of expertise?

I feel sorry for people like you who can't read an article such as this one without expressing rage at the current administration. Regardless of my political positions, I've come to learn that there are enough substantive, significant issues where bipartisan unity is a no-brainer, but those in power, with all of their self-interested agendas, profit from the people being at each other's throats. We may disagree on ca…

Embarrassing comment. This current administration and its supporters most definitely does not agree on several of your points, in particular on sustainable sources of energy and regulations on pollution.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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Absolutely tone deaf article when the whole US Presidency, half of Congress and half of Senate are promoting incompetence and punishing any experience. What is the goal of "tough grading" when they, and a majority of the population, actively despise any kind of expertise?

I feel sorry for people like you who can't read an article such as this one without expressing rage at the current administration. Regardless of my political positions, I've come to learn that there are enough substantive, significant issues where bipartisan unity is a no-brainer, but those in power, with all of their self-interested agendas, profit from the people being at each other's throats. We may disagree on ca…

Republicans do disagree on all the things you listed. Every single fucking one.

They are actively working to destroy as much environmental regulation as they can and further the interests of fossil fuel corporations.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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This article references how grade inflation has boomed since 2013 (when the authors were in school). Here's an article from 2013 bemoaning grade inflation:

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2...

Here's a whole book about the issue, published in 2003: https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/b97309

And here's one from 1991: https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jep.5.1.159

Folks, this is an annual grouching point among folks who care about or work in academia. Nothing to see here.

-- Edited to add that I am a community college English professor. Most people pass my class because the college has set the final drop date one month before the end of the semester, so students have plenty of time to avoid a bad final grade.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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post #4

Absolutely tone deaf article when the whole US Presidency, half of Congress and half of Senate are promoting incompetence and punishing any experience. What is the goal of "tough grading" when they, and a majority of the population, actively despise any kind of expertise?

I feel sorry for people like you who can't read an article such as this one without expressing rage at the current administration. Regardless of my political positions, I've come to learn that there are enough substantive, significant issues where bipartisan unity is a no-brainer, but those in power, with all of their self-interested agendas, profit from the people being at each other's throats. We may disagree on ca…

> but nobody disagrees on having clean water, sustainable sources of energy, regulations on sanitation, waste, and pollution; affordable education; term limits and abolishing lobbyists

Citation needed.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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This is quite the piece. One section that stands out is:

> It’s no coincidence that as grades have gone up, civic friendship between people with different views and backgrounds has gone down, both on campuses and in the nation at large. Students are so confident in their beliefs that they verbally assault professors and guest lecturers and physically assault classmates and janitorial staff. A dose of humility is needed, and it can start in the classroom.

I'm not convinced that grade inflation is causing verbal and physical assaults.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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Absolutely tone deaf article when the whole US Presidency, half of Congress and half of Senate are promoting incompetence and punishing any experience. What is the goal of "tough grading" when they, and a majority of the population, actively despise any kind of expertise?

Well if we post the Ten Commandments in our schools, wouldn’t that make us wiser and smarter ?

No; plus, it's illegal under state and church separation in the United States.

Also, this isn't 500 BCE; we live in 2025. Humanity no longer needs to learn the basics of common decency, morality, and legality through the mythical threat of a being(s) in the sky helping or hurting an eternal life that simply does not exist after death.

Re: America Needs Tough Grading

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sigh Is it that time of the year again that we start publishing these? Boy, how time flies...

Too frequently, what people (and clearly the author of this piece) mean when they say "tougher grading" is just a return to forcible bell-curve application and faculty who take out their personal insecurities and annoyance over being required to teach classes on their students. That's not making academics more challenging, it's just torturing statistics and arbitrarily modifying the race-course in order to satisfy other agendas. If you have a good teacher and a good course and more than half the class does well, you should consider making the next iteration more challenging, but you should not feel obliged to fail 10% of them because "there's always a bell-curve", nor should you be using grading as a means to "humble" your students.

I emphasized the word "consider" up there because not every course needs to be a slog up Everest, either — an "intro to X" course might well be a class in which many people do well. Some percentage of them will be people looking to make that their major, so they'll already know enough to be ahead of the curve in an "intro" course. Others will be bright people who learn well and adapt to the material. As someone who teaches classes regularly at the college/grad-school level, I try to make the content interesting and challenging, but if most of my students turn in work that exceeds standards and are coming out with a good understanding of the content, I feel like I've accomplished my goals — academia is supposed to be about learning after all, and they're displaying that they've correctly learned the content I wanted to communicate to them. I do spend time trying to re-work the course regularly (something I'm forced to do much more since the explosion of sites like Chegg...), but past a certain point if something is clearly working, why am I obliged to break it?

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