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Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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> Never repeat in the clear the identical text of a message once sent in cryptographic form, or repeat in cryptographic form the text of a message once sent in the clear

And (more or less) that’s how the Enigma was cracked. Turns out starting weather report with ‘weather’ every single time is not a good idea.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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Interesting. I liked the explanations in the accepted answer. This rule especially,“Never repeat in the clear the identical text of a message once sent in cryptographic form, or repeat in cryptographic form the text of a message once sent in the clear.” As a child I learned about codes from a library book. Fascinated with one-time pads, I convinced a friend to try a correspondence. We exchanged a few messages, and th…

>> the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze

I recall that Ovaltine goes better with decoded messages.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

#14

Does this also apply if someone were to do the following: Receive encrypted transmission -> unencrypt it -> need to pass it on, so re-encrypt it and pass it on? I would imagine that the paraphrasing wouldn't be necessary in this case because it isn't quite as useful to compare two encrypted versions of the text versus an encrypted version and an unencrypted version (also I feel like there is some risk of a game of 't…

No. As explained in the SO answer, the worry is that the enemy will have been able to decrypt one or the other of your messages, at which point the identical underlying plaintext will help them crack the second cypher.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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post #11

> Never repeat in the clear the identical text of a message once sent in cryptographic form, or repeat in cryptographic form the text of a message once sent in the clear And (more or less) that’s how the Enigma was cracked. Turns out starting weather report with ‘weather’ every single time is not a good idea.

Or ending it with the same salute involving the name of the leader, for that matter.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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Interesting. I liked the explanations in the accepted answer. This rule especially,“Never repeat in the clear the identical text of a message once sent in cryptographic form, or repeat in cryptographic form the text of a message once sent in the clear.” As a child I learned about codes from a library book. Fascinated with one-time pads, I convinced a friend to try a correspondence. We exchanged a few messages, and th…

>> the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze I recall that Ovaltine goes better with decoded messages.

A crummy commercial!?

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

#17

Tangentially related — sending everyone in a company a slightly different document can help catch the person leaking confidential documents to the press.

Tyrion did that thing in GoT (fictional btw) - https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/45256e/s2e3_...

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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Tangentially related — sending everyone in a company a slightly different document can help catch the person leaking confidential documents to the press.

That’s what I thought it was going to be.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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post #14

Does this also apply if someone were to do the following: Receive encrypted transmission -> unencrypt it -> need to pass it on, so re-encrypt it and pass it on? I would imagine that the paraphrasing wouldn't be necessary in this case because it isn't quite as useful to compare two encrypted versions of the text versus an encrypted version and an unencrypted version (also I feel like there is some risk of a game of 't…

No. As explained in the SO answer, the worry is that the enemy will have been able to decrypt one or the other of your messages, at which point the identical underlying plaintext will help them crack the second cypher.

‘Crack the cipher’ in this case most likely meaning: figure out the daily code word key you are using for that cipher.

If they have already gained the ability to decrypt today’s messages from station A in cipher A, and can therefore recover the plaintext of those messages; if they then find a message of the same length sent from station B in cipher B they can guess that that might be the same message, reverse engineer the key and maybe then decrypt all the messages being sent from station B in cipher B today.

Re: “This telegram must be closely paraphrased before being communicated to anyone”

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post #11

> Never repeat in the clear the identical text of a message once sent in cryptographic form, or repeat in cryptographic form the text of a message once sent in the clear And (more or less) that’s how the Enigma was cracked. Turns out starting weather report with ‘weather’ every single time is not a good idea.

Or ending it with the same salute involving the name of the leader, for that matter.

Isn't that why we have PFS now?
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