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Fascism does not work in the long run economically. The grifter state fails. OP Refuted by: Italy (Mussolini’s Fascist Regime) Spain (Franco’s Regime) Portugal (Estado Novo) Chile (Pinochet)
> Once fascists win power democratically, they have never been removed democratically. Not once. Ever.
One case is Bolsonaro in Brazil. He was elected and wasn’t re-elected four years later. He now will face trial for his attempted coup.
He mentions Finland and Lapua movement as an example and it's correct, but there are others. United Sates: There was Ku Klux Klan (KKK) in the south. In the 1930s fascism became very popular in the US. 25% of Americans listened regularly fascist radio program from father Charles Coughlin. "It is fascism or communism. We are at the crossroads. I take the road to fascism.” Large number of "shirts" organizations (fascis…
They would shut off the water supply to California
Fascism does not work in the long run economically. The grifter state fails. OP Refuted by: Italy (Mussolini’s Fascist Regime) Spain (Franco’s Regime) Portugal (Estado Novo) Chile (Pinochet)
The actual claim in the blog post: > Once fascists win power democratically, they have never been removed democratically. Not once. Ever.
Unless they go to war...
The real issue is that nobody with any degree of power really cares.
Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady?
The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.
Fascism does not work in the long run economically. The grifter state fails. OP Refuted by: Italy (Mussolini’s Fascist Regime) Spain (Franco’s Regime) Portugal (Estado Novo) Chile (Pinochet)
- Francoist Spain: 40 years.
- Pinochet Chile: 17 years.
- Salazar Portugal: 36 years.
If you were 22 when Pinochet took power for example you didn't see the end until 39. Your best years lost. And that's the "lite" version. (I ignored Italy because of WW2)
If the US MAGA contingent gloms on to this fascism malarkey by anointing a true believer after Trumps inevitable death (he is pushing 80, after all) we would be looking at decades of loss.
> What would the red states do, invade California? They would shut off the water supply to California
They can afford water facilities.
> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.
I mean: At almost any point in time, when fascists are NOT in power, it's because they were, one way or another, stopped.
The logic would be: fascism is a systematic/automatic force that wants to seize power, usually by basing its ideology on anti-intellectualism, glorified past, enemies of the nation that must be eliminated/deported, imperialist motives (conquest, war, etc.).
This systematic force always exists. It always exists because there are always people who wants to dominate, oppress, express violence against this or that group of people.
Therefore, the few times fascists reached power in any country around the world it's because of a combination of factors and that's what we KNOW about.
For instance, this movement https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulangisme never reached power. BUT it for sure planted the seeds of future hatred, extreme nationalism, etc. and they were VERY determined to take the power, and they didn't. But we don't 'count' it as "fascism that was stopped" because there was no clear, obvious, big event that we can pinpoint as fascists being stopped.