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The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by jclulow »

this_user wrote: post #7
moomoo11 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Certainly if they're like us, and travelling to new worlds, they'll be imperialistic and colonial. They'll plant a flag, because we obviously weren't really making use of the planet, not _really_, and attempt to civilise the natives through something between cultural erasure and genocide.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by lawlessone »

moomoo11 wrote: post #6
treetalker wrote: post #2

Extraterrestrial as in "not of Earthly origin" — not as in space aliens.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

I think we're expecting too much, afaik to detect anything we'd need aliens to be deliberately signaling us(tv, radio it's alien equivalent isn't going to be strong enough ). Or sending out a much much more powerful signal in all directions.

And it has to repeat.

We're expecting aliens to be very committed to doing something we don't do ourselves. We have deliberately sent out powerful signals with things like the Arecibo message but not repeating. And it would have to be repeating for a very long time.

To add, with the rules SETI currently uses nobody would have heard of it as they wouldn't consider a non-repeating signal like it as worth shouting about.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by [deleted] »

this_user wrote: post #7
moomoo11 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

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Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by KumaBear »

this_user wrote: post #7
moomoo11 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Depends who got to the top first. If the most advanced was peaceful but eliminated threats. I’d assume they could create a collective empire.

Apex ruthless only gets you so far verses a collective.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by ArcaneMoose »

this_user wrote: post #7
moomoo11 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Not necessarily true! I think this interactive game applies: https://ncase.me/trust/

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by devnullbrain »

jclulow wrote: post #11
this_user wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Certainly if they're like us, and travelling to new worlds, they'll be imperialistic and colonial. They'll plant a flag, because we obviously weren't really making use of the planet, not _really_, and attempt to civilise the natives through something between cultural erasure and genocide.

On Earth, in the grand scheme of things, it took a very short time for colonies to a) diverge politically or b) fail. It's not something that stopped happening (much) because we became more cuddly. It's just boring old economics.

So I think it's unfeasible to maintain a society that rules with an iron fist over interstellar distance and time.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by danparsonson »

KumaBear wrote: post #14
this_user wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

Depends who got to the top first. If the most advanced was peaceful but eliminated threats. I’d assume they could create a collective empire. Apex ruthless only gets you so far verses a collective.

On the other hand they could still see us as a threat to the collective due to our levels of aggression, and eliminate us to protect themselves.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by ghurtado »

TillE wrote: post #3
treetalker wrote: post #2

Extraterrestrial as in "not of Earthly origin" — not as in space aliens.

Space aliens are still kinda the best explanation. It's extremely inconclusive, and it's entirely possible that we'll discover some new natural phenomenon to explain it instead, but for now there's not really any known alternative.

Not really.

There are many, many cosmic processes that we don't know the first thing about.

At one point, we didn't know what a pulsar was, and a fair amount of people probably thought it was an alien signal.

Human History is littered with examples of attribution of the unexplained to aliens.

So far, non alien explanations have been found for all of them, except possibly this one.

Does it warrant further study? Absolutely. Is it likely to be aliens? Statistically, no.

Re: The “Wow!” signal was likely from extraterrestrial source, and more powerful

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Post by Mistletoe »

this_user wrote: post #7
moomoo11 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either way, I really hope that we establish contact with aliens in my lifetime. Hopefully they're chill, and like us lol.

Any species that is advanced enough for interstellar communication will almost certainly be a highly aggressive apex species. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being nice, you get there by murdering all of the competition and plundering all of the resources. And if you were trying to be nice, someone else would have just wiped you out. The big question is if a species can eventually reach some point of co…

I think you are wrong and the more humanity has become intelligent, the more empathy and love we have displayed. I think it’s a hallmark of intelligence. The most intelligent people I know are the most kind and understanding. It’s the ignorant that are cruel and uncaring.
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