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Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by soganess »

jleyank wrote: post #3

Tries to fire. Up to the courts to rule on the legality of this so the Supreme Court can give trump what he wants.

That's not true, at least not really.

The Supreme Court has been ducking the question of the legality of the recent firings by reversing, on the shadow docket, any lower court injunctions that stay the firings. When the cases eventually percolate again on the merits, Roberts and Co. may well find that it is illegal for the president to fire so-and-so... right as the administration changes parties.

Sure, it's nakedly transparent. And yes, it amounts to setting the rule-of-law on fire while plugging your ears and repeating “I know you are but what am I.” But dang if it isn't brazenly effective politicking.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by lawn »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #5

Trump has what, 3 and a bit years as POTUS? All this power grabbing is setting himself up for what? In 3.5 years he is out the door and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. If you play the tape out and, as expected, the GOP is massacred at mid-terms, and Dems get in their pick in at the next election I would expect all this to be undone. What is the point? And I reject any argument that Tr…

> And I reject any argument that Trump will take the POTUS position for a third term. It won't happen.

You're naive if you say it absolutely won't happen.

This scenario has played out again and again throughout history when dictators install themselves, existing rules and legality be damned.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by jacquesm »

soganess wrote: post #11
jleyank wrote: post #3

Tries to fire. Up to the courts to rule on the legality of this so the Supreme Court can give trump what he wants.

That's not true, at least not really. The Supreme Court has been ducking the question of the legality of the recent firings by reversing, on the shadow docket, any lower court injunctions that stay the firings. When the cases eventually percolate again on the merits, Roberts and Co. may well find that it is illegal for the president to fire so-and-so... right as the administration changes parties. Sure, it's nakedly…

It's only effective if your country doesn't go down in flames while you do it.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by rsynnott »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #5

Trump has what, 3 and a bit years as POTUS? All this power grabbing is setting himself up for what? In 3.5 years he is out the door and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. If you play the tape out and, as expected, the GOP is massacred at mid-terms, and Dems get in their pick in at the next election I would expect all this to be undone. What is the point? And I reject any argument that Tr…

> and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom.

I mean, surely not. No-one is going to vote for that. They'll presumably be able to find _someone_ who's less of a weirdo nobody.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by softwaredoug »

bwestergard wrote: post #6
EugeneG wrote: post #4

Tries to fire, but he doesn’t have the legal authority to fire

You are very much right. But Trump tried to fire Gwynne Wilcox of the National Labor Relations Board and the Supreme Court killed her case in the shadow docket. https://www.steptoe.com/en/news-publications/the-fed-can-sta...

Notably in a lot of these cases they’re just canceling injunctions, not deciding the merits.

But effectively it decides the case because nobody is going to stick around through a long trial after the injunction is canceled.

Which basically makes The Supreme Courts shadow docket a fairly arbitrary justice system that doesn’t generate precedent and many courts ignore past the immediate case.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by cosmicgadget »

EugeneG wrote: post #4

Tries to fire, but he doesn’t have the legal authority to fire

As I understand it, he has the authority to fire for cause. There's just very dubious cause here -- like how he tested the waters with firing Powell over the cost of hq renovations after SCOTUS told him the Fed is different.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by cosmicgadget »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #5

Trump has what, 3 and a bit years as POTUS? All this power grabbing is setting himself up for what? In 3.5 years he is out the door and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. If you play the tape out and, as expected, the GOP is massacred at mid-terms, and Dems get in their pick in at the next election I would expect all this to be undone. What is the point? And I reject any argument that Tr…

Seems pretty simple: he was staring down the prospect of dying in prison. The classified documents and Jan 6 cases were open and shut but had Judge Cannon and executive immunity slowing things to a crawl. So he made a deal with P2025 to get him back in office in exchange for executing their plan to reshape the country.

A lot of what they're doing is difficult to reverse. Article III appointments, gerrymandering, SCOTUS decisions, the replacement of the federal workforce, selling off federal property, approving resource extraction, economic damage, ...

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by cosmicgadget »

rsynnott wrote: post #15
andrewinardeer wrote: post #5

Trump has what, 3 and a bit years as POTUS? All this power grabbing is setting himself up for what? In 3.5 years he is out the door and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. If you play the tape out and, as expected, the GOP is massacred at mid-terms, and Dems get in their pick in at the next election I would expect all this to be undone. What is the point? And I reject any argument that Tr…

> and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. I mean, surely not. No-one is going to vote for that. They'll presumably be able to find _someone_ who's less of a weirdo nobody.

This will be the depressingly interesting part about the next three years. The GOP will have to push a successor while Trump clearly will not accept any threat to his status. This is probably why they are going so hard for gerrymandering and eliminating mail-in voting.

Re: Trump Fires Fed Governor Lisa Cook

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Post by softwaredoug »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #5

Trump has what, 3 and a bit years as POTUS? All this power grabbing is setting himself up for what? In 3.5 years he is out the door and an election will be held with presumably Vance as the POTUS nom. If you play the tape out and, as expected, the GOP is massacred at mid-terms, and Dems get in their pick in at the next election I would expect all this to be undone. What is the point? And I reject any argument that Tr…

Trump has anchored us to such a degree of daily insanity, that a right wing - dare I say far right - but less dramatic - will feel like a relief. My baseline assumption is if Trumps not around, a slightly saner GOP, with still Trumpy policies, becomes way more popular. So Vance or whomever will have a Unitary executive with some norms reestablished (like Fed independence) and some knee jerk Trumpy policies (like tariffs) back to some level of sanity.

After all is said and done we’ll have a right leaning government but with most of the day to day insanities and drama removed. But still far more right wing than we would have tolerated 10 years ago.

Either that or without Trump the Trump coalition implodes.

Or a puppet president is elected with Trump able to bully them into what he wants. But not sure his health lasts for that.

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