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Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The highest point in the entire state of Michigan is lower than the hills west of SV.

Flat topography would be an economic advantage, would it not?

Which is why Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down and derelict...? Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage, but not these days in the industries that SV relies on.

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flat topography would be an economic advantage, would it not?

Which is why Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down and derelict...? Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage, but not these days in the industries that SV relies on.

Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down

Actually, the opposite is true, and hilliness is not the only factor in play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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Well... other problems aside, SV has some things going for it that won't change, like climate and topography, that Detroit will never have.

SV has some things going for it [...] topography, that Detroit will never have. SV is a port area located next to a bay. Detroit is a port city located next to a river. How is SV's topography better than Detroit's?

Points to detroit for proximity to plentiful fresh water and arable land. SoCal is in a long term freshwater pickle, remember.

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #8

Silicon Valley is its own culture. If it were to actually die, it would be gone forever - there would be no replacement. There are enough people dedicated to the preservation of this culture to ensure that it will survive, even in the face of such dire economic straits (which will get worse). Every other place on Earth is, well, culturally unable to replicate the advantages of Silicon Valley. You can't buy it, you ca…

I hated it because it was so silly. I am fundamentally a builder, but that era wasn't about smart people building cool stuff, it was a gold rush. I was happy to get out.

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down and derelict...? Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage, but not these days in the industries that SV relies on.

Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down Actually, the opposite is true, and hilliness is not the only factor in play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship

Hilliness is not an economic factor at all. Well, perhaps with the exception of some hill towns in central Italy that are still fairly inaccessible, I don't think it really matters in this day and age, in our industry, except for the fact that it makes a place more pleasant to live for many people, like me.

This is where I live now, and the economy isn't that bad:

http://www.welton.it/photos/innsbruck/innsbruck_panorama.htm...

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flat topography would be an economic advantage, would it not?

Which is why Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down and derelict...? Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage, but not these days in the industries that SV relies on.

Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage

Interesting choice of date. 100 years ago SF was rebuilding from the giant earthquake that had leveled most of the city three years before.

So, yeah, Detroit's got certain topographical advantages. People just can't remember that, because essentially none of the current residents of the Bay Area were living there in 1906, and human memory is short. But there may come a day when you remember. It'll be one day after one third of the buildings fall down and the water taps stop working.

And now for the public service announcement: If you live in the Bay Area, stockpile some drinking water and bolt your shelves to the wall!

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down Actually, the opposite is true, and hilliness is not the only factor in play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship

Hilliness is not an economic factor at all. Well, perhaps with the exception of some hill towns in central Italy that are still fairly inaccessible, I don't think it really matters in this day and age, in our industry, except for the fact that it makes a place more pleasant to live for many people, like me. This is where I live now, and the economy isn't that bad: http://www.welton.it/photos/innsbruck/innsbruck_panor…

Hilliness is not a factor at all.

Did you not just post several messages claiming the opposite?

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why Detroit is a thriving city, and hilly San Francisco is run down and derelict...? Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage, but not these days in the industries that SV relies on.

Maybe 100 years ago that was some kind of advantage Interesting choice of date. 100 years ago SF was rebuilding from the giant earthquake that had leveled most of the city three years before. So, yeah, Detroit's got certain topographical advantages. People just can't remember that, because essentially none of the current residents of the Bay Area were living there in 1906, and human memory is short. But there may com…

Seismography != Topography :-) They had a big earthquake in 1989, right? So it's not that old a memory in any case.

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hilliness is not an economic factor at all. Well, perhaps with the exception of some hill towns in central Italy that are still fairly inaccessible, I don't think it really matters in this day and age, in our industry, except for the fact that it makes a place more pleasant to live for many people, like me. This is where I live now, and the economy isn't that bad: http://www.welton.it/photos/innsbruck/innsbruck_panor…

Hilliness is not a factor at all. Did you not just post several messages claiming the opposite?

Are you seriously arguing that Detroit is a better place to be a programmer/"knowledge worker" because it's flat?

Re: Will Silicon Valley turn into Detroit?

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hilliness is not a factor at all. Did you not just post several messages claiming the opposite?

Are you seriously arguing that Detroit is a better place to be a programmer/"knowledge worker" because it's flat?

My question was: "How is SV's topography better than Detroit's?". Your answer to that question was essentially that SV's advantage is hilliness:

SV has some things going for it [...] topography, that Detroit will never have. [...] The highest point in the entire state of Michigan is lower than the hills west of SV.

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