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Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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It's solved, full write-up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftUnlimited/comments/1cvo5py... Tl:dr; It was a release file for their Minecon event. It was never meant to be public. Obsessing over a password protected in a company's S3 bucket is weird and crosses many limits.

I disagree with this and what Dinnerbone says about locks. It doesn’t matter who file was intended for, it’s on the internet, if people want to use their silicon to do some mathematics to turn some numbers into some other numbers that’s their choice. It’s not equivalent to breaking into a house.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

This argument is so ridiculous I must be misunderstanding you. By your logic you owe me access your house since my tax dollars pay for the legal system that gives you property rights?!

It's not ridiculous, that's the deal (at least it was). It's not actual property. It's a made up concept, you actually lose nothing physical if it's copied. That concept was created and granted to encourage people to create.

You get a certain period to commercialize it, then it's public property. Hiding it away to prevent that is a breach of the spirit of the agreement society made with the creator.

That you believe it's a "ridiculous" argument shows how much you've been brainwashed by corporations.

All this stuff is generally built on the shoulders of previous works, that are public domain. Copying story structures, phrasing, etc. Even entire storylines.

And that's before we get onto the fact that all these corporations benefited from eveything we paid for. Laws to protect their IP, enforcement, infrastructure paid with by public money, education of workers, etc..

They've got their hands out to take, take, take, but when it comes to holding up to their part of the bargain, it's suddenly extensions on copyright terms, minor tweaks to "renew" IP that was never part of the original deal, etc. while feeding a ton of cash to politicians in what looks like a bribe, acts like a bribe, but is termed "lobbying".

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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It's solved, full write-up here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MinecraftUnlimited/comments/1cvo5py... Tl:dr; It was a release file for their Minecon event. It was never meant to be public. Obsessing over a password protected in a company's S3 bucket is weird and crosses many limits.

so weird. many limits.

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Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

Without IP law it is all or nothing: obfuscate, hide, encrypt, and protect lest it become public domain.

With IP law you are given the exclusive, enforceable right to control the distribution and sale of an idea for N years... at which point it becomes public domain.

In either case the decision to publish an idea will inevitably make it public domain. The government protects their shit because $REASONS but there is absolutely no obligation for it to be made public until that protection lapse. In matters of human culture this seems like a bug, not a feature but enforcing some standard of "reasonable worldwide availability" by force seems impossible. The invisible hand of piracy "solves" this oversight and functions like a safety valve.

Not an endorsement of either side, just an observation.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

If that were the case then no physical artwork could be privately held. That, too, is covered by IP laws but there is no obligation to provide society access.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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There's also the piracy communities where a majority of users believe they have some sort of inherent right to watch something merely because it exists. I don't understand where that sentiment comes from.

I mean, part of the deal with IP law is you get government protection for your idea, in exchange for society having access to it. I’m personally of the mind that if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access. This is not defending the ones who believe they have the right to things sans that deal

> if my tax dollars went towards protecting your shit, you owe society access

Well, the protection is only from random people accessing one's stuff, so this is a very silly (in fact nonsensical) argument. "If my tax dollars went towards you having right X, I thus deserve to infringe on that right X".

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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This argument is so ridiculous I must be misunderstanding you. By your logic you owe me access your house since my tax dollars pay for the legal system that gives you property rights?!

It's not ridiculous, that's the deal (at least it was). It's not actual property. It's a made up concept, you actually lose nothing physical if it's copied. That concept was created and granted to encourage people to create. You get a certain period to commercialize it, then it's public property. Hiding it away to prevent that is a breach of the spirit of the agreement society made with the creator. That you believe…

>It's a made up concept

Physical property is made up too. You don't lose anything from someone sleeping on your couch either.

Re: The Minecraft Code (2024) [video]

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It's not ridiculous, that's the deal (at least it was). It's not actual property. It's a made up concept, you actually lose nothing physical if it's copied. That concept was created and granted to encourage people to create. You get a certain period to commercialize it, then it's public property. Hiding it away to prevent that is a breach of the spirit of the agreement society made with the creator. That you believe…

>It's a made up concept Physical property is made up too. You don't lose anything from someone sleeping on your couch either.

If someone is sleeping on your couch, then you lose the ability to sleep on it yourself, because they are taking up the space.
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