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I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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The Japanese immersion language learning rabbit hole goes very very deep, and it super interesting. I'm writing some info about it here because I just don't want it to be lost to the sands of the digital times: It all started way back when with this guy named Khatzumoto who did his own guerilla academic research, for lack for a better word - and proving it by getting fluent in 18 months. The theories were based in co…

> fluent in 18 months

That's a very interesting definition of fluent.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

#12
> This will bring about personalized tutoring like in Spock’s school in Star Trek (which always seemed amazing to me even as a kid).

* Confused where in the original series Spock goes to school.

* Watches the video and sees 2009 "Star Trek"

* "as a kid"...

* feels old

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Alas, the mote around LLM integration is practically non-existent so I'd think that productization around this would be next to impossible.

Anki is already extremely extendable so I would think that with a not too much work deep LLM integration could be implemented in Anki. Like, instead of showing static content for a card, have Anki call an LLM to create the daily iteration of a given prompt.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Hallucinations in LLMs when learning is dangerous; IF you have some background, you can usually tell with LLMs go off the rails, but It would be unfortunate for you to commit to memory an incorrect fact at such a vulnerable time. It will be difficult to "uncommit it" at that point.

I don't think the LLM value prop here is to build lots of cards. It's just to interact with the model conversaitonally. If the model is wrong in this one translation, I'm not going to exactly "commit it to memory", I'm just going to keep on carrying on. I don't know that the LLM mistakes are any particularly worse than the many and sundry other mistakes I'm already continuously making as a language learner anyhow.

If I could speak a foreign language as well as a 8B parameter LLM, hallucinations and all, I'd be immensely ahead of where I am now. It's not like second languages aren't themselves often broken in somewhat similar ways.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Hallucinations in LLMs when learning is dangerous; IF you have some background, you can usually tell with LLMs go off the rails, but It would be unfortunate for you to commit to memory an incorrect fact at such a vulnerable time. It will be difficult to "uncommit it" at that point.

I've used anki before. Most of the decks you get are randomly downloaded from the anki website. I'm not sure that an LLM hallucination is that much more likely than a typo or error in a random free deck I downloaded that someone compiled for me.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Spaced repetition is incredibly inefficient. Despite exponential guarantees, there's information and incredibly complex concepts that are with me forever, after learning about it once.

Yet somehow a German word is impossible to remember.

LLMs suck, because their goal is not to improve learning. Same way Duolingo sucks, the goal is to optimize global metrics over a massive userbase, not optimize individual metrics, where each individual has its own context.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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post #13

Alas, the mote around LLM integration is practically non-existent so I'd think that productization around this would be next to impossible. Anki is already extremely extendable so I would think that with a not too much work deep LLM integration could be implemented in Anki. Like, instead of showing static content for a card, have Anki call an LLM to create the daily iteration of a given prompt.

I'm excited to see the next crop of real LLM powered language apps.

I could see it coming from 2 directions (since I think most people agree language learning and SRS go together):

- anki on steroids - a dynamic way for me to do SRS that feels more natural - a way to do natural language interaction with the LLM (chat, voice, etc.), with SRS as an added feature or integrated more subtly

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I think that the author was using Anki incorrectly, and that led them to the spurious conclusion that "Anki is dead". I also have attempted to use Anki this way- using someone else's deck to try to force myself to learn something new. But that doesn't work, because it is just memorizing random symbols, as they noted in the article ("The enemy is the static card"). For example in maths learning, memorizing arbitrary terms, symbols, etc is useless. However, once I am introduced to a concept for the first time, then I add it to my Anki deck so I can make sure I remember it. The key is the context, and writing terms / definitions etc that speak specifically to me. I still need to work out different variations of the concept to understand it, and that's not something that Anki can help with.

I haven't used Anki for language learning, but I imagine that if I did, it would be to add some new vocabulary I had just learned from a book, conversation, film, etc. I don't think it would help me learn a language from zero though- that would require practicing it.

In summary, Anki is great for reinforcing something you've just learned, but you can't reinforce your way into the context that is necessary to truly understand something.

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