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Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by nrclark »

gnerd00 wrote: post #5

As an American, I was fascinated to see an interview with an older Italian farm owner. She employed Sikhs in eastern Italy for farm labor. In the Italian language interview she explained like she was talking to a close friend, how actually the Sikhs eat their children back home, due to starvation... as if she was sharing a secret! (hint- this is wildly false and outrageous to say it) In other words, I do not believe…

That sounds a lot like "They're eating the cats! They're eating the dogs!". I know a lot of Sikh folks and they're pretty chill.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by mullingitover »

The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by arcfour »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #9

Kind of weird framing as "historic" and "violated the Constitution" when the actual decision from the court just says, "Following the Supreme Court’s recent decision in SEC v. Jarkesy, 603 U.S. 109 (2024), we hold that Sun Valley was entitled to have its case decided by an Article III court." Usually it is a non-story when lower courts start following a brand new Supreme Court precedent. Not sure why this one is on H…

It was interesting to read about the impact that unconstitutional actions by the government had on actual people in a real case, and how a Supreme Court ruling remedied it (partially). What a bizarre response. Do you have something against these people or something?

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by bpodgursky »

mullingitover wrote: post #12

The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.

> In a seismic 2024 ruling with direct relevance to Sun Valley, SCOTUS ruled that citizens are entitled to a jury trial when hit with civil penalties imposed by administrative law judges.

"Citizens are entitled to a jury trial". Is this really the hill you're going to die on — arguing that it's a terrible thing that people are entitled to defend themselves in court?

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by yndoendo »

That was a puff piece void if any details. The only idea that rings out is a separation of power.

Said the USA seems to be going into the consolidation of power. SOTUS has stated that being an expert in a field and subject is meaningless, politicians should have complete say. The continuation of allow tariffs by executive order versus legislative branch, as written in law, is another example of the consolidation of government.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by aidenn0 »

ETH_start wrote: post #2

This kafkaesque nightmare is the same dysfunction you see in large corporations. It happens for the same reason: when organizations get too large, the people running different parts stop communicating effectively, and no one feels directly accountable. But there’s also a reason some companies grow so large in the first place. Scale brings benefits: standardized systems, the ability to hire specialists for every niche…

I've seen it in public school systems. It's never "this is the right thing to do" or "this is the wrong thing to do" it's "I can't justify this to my boss" so you meet with their boss who similarly passes the buck. Eventually you get high enough that it becomes "I delegated that to Person X." Then you meet with Person X who says "I don't have the power to make that decision."

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by somenameforme »

mullingitover wrote: post #12

The great news here is that the tables have turned dramatically in favor of employers. Laborers will just have to suck it up and get wages stolen and contracts violated occasionally to ensure that the bureaucrats are kept in check.

I don't understand how any person can come to a conclusion like this from this account. Some employees lied about their qualifications, showed up to work, were unable to do they work they claimed they knew how to do, were unwilling to learn or even try to do so, they quit, and the government then decided this company owed those employees 3/4 of the entire salary they would have been paid had they completed the entire crop year.

In the other issue, their representative mistakenly clicked the 'kitchen provided' food option in the paperwork instead of 'meals provided', with the government claiming there was some conspiracy to defraud the employees into taking meals instead of receiving a food stipend, when they'd been providing home cooked meals to the employees for decades, as the DOL had observed countless times.

In both cases, there was no harm to the employees whatsoever.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by snowe2010 »

gnerd00 wrote: post #5

As an American, I was fascinated to see an interview with an older Italian farm owner. She employed Sikhs in eastern Italy for farm labor. In the Italian language interview she explained like she was talking to a close friend, how actually the Sikhs eat their children back home, due to starvation... as if she was sharing a secret! (hint- this is wildly false and outrageous to say it) In other words, I do not believe…

You literally invented an entire fantasy to justify your racism. Absolutely none of what you said is even slightly provable, nor mentioned even vaguely in the article.

Re: Family Farm Wins Historic Case After Feds Violate Constitution and Ruin Business

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Post by gnerd00 »

snowe2010 wrote: post #19
gnerd00 wrote: post #5

As an American, I was fascinated to see an interview with an older Italian farm owner. She employed Sikhs in eastern Italy for farm labor. In the Italian language interview she explained like she was talking to a close friend, how actually the Sikhs eat their children back home, due to starvation... as if she was sharing a secret! (hint- this is wildly false and outrageous to say it) In other words, I do not believe…

You literally invented an entire fantasy to justify your racism. Absolutely none of what you said is even slightly provable, nor mentioned even vaguely in the article.

absolutely a real interview, stunning in the racism of the farm owner, actually
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