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Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

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Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

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Post by orangeboats »

leosanchez wrote: post #10
litbear2022 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975, and its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats.

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

>A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India.

I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese... But referendum is by far the worst tool you can use to support your point. Even more so, when South Asia is notorious for election rigging.

By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#12

Post by leosanchez »

orangeboats wrote: post #11
leosanchez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

>A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese... But referendum is by far the worst tool you can use to support your point. Even more so, when South Asia is notorious for election rigging. By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.

> I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese

Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ?

> Even more so, when South Asia

Indira Gandhi imposed emergency in 1975 and lost in 1977. If there was widespread election rigging she wouldn't have lost the election.

> By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.

Can you point to a separatist movement from the people of Sikkim, 1975 to today ? Without that, your comment just doesn't make any sense. You come across as CCP shill.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#13

Post by orangeboats »

leosanchez wrote: post #12
orangeboats wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese... But referendum is by far the worst tool you can use to support your point. Even more so, when South Asia is notorious for election rigging. By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule.

> I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? > Even more so, when South Asia Indira Gandhi imposed emergency in 1975 and lost in 1977. If there was widespread election rigging she wouldn't have lost the election. > By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule. Can you point to a se…

>Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ?

I never said anything to that effect.

I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity.

Hence,

>You come across as CCP shill.

Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#14

Post by litbear2022 »

leosanchez wrote: post #10
litbear2022 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975, and its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats.

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges, poor Western netizens.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#15

Post by defrost »

litbear2022 wrote: post #14
leosanchez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges, poor Western netizens.

You've been advised to read and follow the guidelines multiple times in the past.

If you have a constructive and informative counter response that will educate "poor westerners" then by all means provide that.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#16

Post by pk97 »

orangeboats wrote: post #13
leosanchez wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know you are trying to express that the annexation is supported by the Sikkimese Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? > Even more so, when South Asia Indira Gandhi imposed emergency in 1975 and lost in 1977. If there was widespread election rigging she wouldn't have lost the election. > By the same logic, Crimea should "rightfully" be under Russia's rule. Can you point to a se…

>Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? I never said anything to that effect. I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity. Hence, >You come across as CCP shill. Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.

As someone who has been to Sikkim and spoken with people there, I can say they are proud and happy to be Indians. In fact, they receive several concessions from the Indian state for being part of the Union - for example, they are exempt from income tax. While a referendum may not always be the best measure of sentiment, the absence of insurgency in Sikkim (unlike in some other regions in India) suggests that people are broadly content with being part of India.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#17

Post by leosanchez »

litbear2022 wrote: post #14
leosanchez wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sikkim was annexed by India in 1975 A referendum was held in April 1975, where over 97% of voters supported abolishing the monarchy and joining India. > its neighbor Bhutan currently retains limited sovereignty under Indian threats. Source? or are you just spreading CCP propaganda?

Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges, poor Western netizens.

> Go look for the referendum results in the Ganges

What does this even mean? Do you have a source to back up your claims or not?

> poor Western netizens.

What is this to do with westerners?

Are you having trouble translating Chinese to English ?

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#18

Post by jlaternman »

strken wrote: post #5
SilverElfin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don’t get how the world cares so much about conflicts in other parts of the world but ignores the colonization and takeover of Tibet by the CCP

It happened more than 70 years ago. What would be the point? I remember my mum wearing a Free Tibet t-shirt in the 90s, but even then it was a fait accompli.

Because it hasn’t resulted in a stable situation or a historical event that stops being relevant to the current moment. No harmony has formed since. It is still essentially an ongoing invasion and erasure and oppression of Tibetan culture and people. See moves related to giant damn building most recently, but it is has been continuous, and there are big concerns among Tibetans about it getting worse still in the future, when the Dalai Lama dies. Only the initial maneuvers of invading are in the past, the rest applies to the current moment, day by day.

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#19

Post by orangeboats »

pk97 wrote: post #16
orangeboats wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? I never said anything to that effect. I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity. Hence, >You come across as CCP shill. Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.

As someone who has been to Sikkim and spoken with people there, I can say they are proud and happy to be Indians. In fact, they receive several concessions from the Indian state for being part of the Union - for example, they are exempt from income tax. While a referendum may not always be the best measure of sentiment, the absence of insurgency in Sikkim (unlike in some other regions in India) suggests that people a…

If you have been there and know that the Sikkimese are comfortable with being part of India, that's good!

I am only resistant to the idea that "referendums = popularity".

Re: Sikkim and the Himalayan Chess Game (2016)

#20

Post by litbear2022 »

pk97 wrote: post #16
orangeboats wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do you have any sources that say they don't support being part of India ? I never said anything to that effect. I simply said referendum, especially one regarding the sovereignty of a nation, is a wildly inaccurate tool to assess popularity. Hence, >You come across as CCP shill. Is a very, very disappointing direction that you have decided to take the discussion toward.

As someone who has been to Sikkim and spoken with people there, I can say they are proud and happy to be Indians. In fact, they receive several concessions from the Indian state for being part of the Union - for example, they are exempt from income tax. While a referendum may not always be the best measure of sentiment, the absence of insurgency in Sikkim (unlike in some other regions in India) suggests that people a…

According to your logic, you could go to eastern Ukraine and ask the same question in ten years. Or maybe even less.
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