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In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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The most amazing thing about this (and another tiny RFID chip that was on HN recently) is not that you can print them on wafers, but that you can cut up the wafers and handle these tiny dies. Imagine you manufactured sugar, but had to manipulate each sugar grain separately.

This is the really interesting Thing!!!! And: how they can have different ROM content (code) for each chip

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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honestly given how long ago that was I'd not be surprised if everything's completely peppered with chips... one from the manufacturer, one from inventory, one from logistic, one from corporate espionage agent, one from foreign adversary state actor sky really is the limit with these. didn't parmesan put some chips in their cheese too?

Imagine if the crazies were right and the Covid vaccines actually did have RFID.

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In an early example of conspiracy theories that would eventually envelop social media, I actually remember internet commenters pointing to the previous generation of these as supposed "proof" that the government was embedding RFID chips in banknotes to track people (following a blog article by Alex Jones): https://news.slashdot.org/story/04/03/02/0535225/do-your-20-...

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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Is it possible to buy and use such tiny chips?

Used to develop readers based on similar UHF chips (868 MHz in EU). They were quite expensive compared to printed bar codes those were replacing. Also large. With (folded) antennas we are still talking about 40*10 mm minimum for the label. You can not use them on metal surfaces. Readers nearby will interfere as it works by EM wave backscattering, unlike NFC which is essentially a transformer (with electric field inte…

I did work with that recently. Did a few cool demos.

The tags got cheaper and you can even get tags that are intentionally designed for metal surfaces. Unlike NFC (or barcodes, obviously), you can read hundreds of tags essentially simultaneously. But because the reading is far from being perfectly reliable (one thing we found out is that human body blocks the 868MHz RFID completely, even at something like 50dBm EIRP, which is well above what is considered safe for human presence) the applications are indeed somewhat limited.

But apparently there are two classes of applications where this technology is really common: libraries and bulk checkout at sports equipment retailers (seems oddly specific). Both of these things also benefit from the "advanced" features of UHF RFID tags like dual-mode RFID/EAS tags and ability to permanently deactivate the tag by simple command.

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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The most amazing thing about this (and another tiny RFID chip that was on HN recently) is not that you can print them on wafers, but that you can cut up the wafers and handle these tiny dies. Imagine you manufactured sugar, but had to manipulate each sugar grain separately.

If you want the bare chips and not full assembled labels the usual packaging is uncut wafer and cutting out and handling the individual dies is your problem.

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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Is it possible to buy and use such tiny chips?

Used to develop readers based on similar UHF chips (868 MHz in EU). They were quite expensive compared to printed bar codes those were replacing. Also large. With (folded) antennas we are still talking about 40*10 mm minimum for the label. You can not use them on metal surfaces. Readers nearby will interfere as it works by EM wave backscattering, unlike NFC which is essentially a transformer (with electric field inte…

I have a hobby project where I am using UHF tags for counting poultry. The advantage that it gives me is long range (few meters) compared to LF / HF tags. QR code also wouldn't work due to size and distance.

Here's a video.

https://youtu.be/_iGn_pZ3IkY

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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Is it possible to buy and use such tiny chips?

Used to develop readers based on similar UHF chips (868 MHz in EU). They were quite expensive compared to printed bar codes those were replacing. Also large. With (folded) antennas we are still talking about 40*10 mm minimum for the label. You can not use them on metal surfaces. Readers nearby will interfere as it works by EM wave backscattering, unlike NFC which is essentially a transformer (with electric field inte…

shopping at uniqlo is really nice where you can just dump everything you want into the scanner

https://www.huayuansh.com/uniqlo-global-stores-applied-rfid-...

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In an early example of conspiracy theories that would eventually envelop social media, I actually remember internet commenters pointing to the previous generation of these as supposed "proof" that the government was embedding RFID chips in banknotes to track people (following a blog article by Alex Jones): https://news.slashdot.org/story/04/03/02/0535225/do-your-20-...

If I worked for VISA's marketing team I'd want to spread FUD like this and "XX% of dollar bills have cocaine on them; protect your children with a youth MasterCard!"

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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honestly given how long ago that was I'd not be surprised if everything's completely peppered with chips... one from the manufacturer, one from inventory, one from logistic, one from corporate espionage agent, one from foreign adversary state actor sky really is the limit with these. didn't parmesan put some chips in their cheese too?

Imagine if the crazies were right and the Covid vaccines actually did have RFID.

Wouldn't that confuse someone if they were to be scanned and had multiple IDs because they received more than one vaccine as time went by?

Re: In 2006, Hitachi developed a 0.15mm-sized RFID chip

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post #7

honestly given how long ago that was I'd not be surprised if everything's completely peppered with chips... one from the manufacturer, one from inventory, one from logistic, one from corporate espionage agent, one from foreign adversary state actor sky really is the limit with these. didn't parmesan put some chips in their cheese too?

Sounds crazy but car and truck tires have had RFID chips for years. I assume most people would be surprised by that. https://www.tirereview.com/michelin-connect-car-tires-rfid-2...

Stealing people's tires is a common thing. So add an RFID reader to cars with ALPR gear, and they can see if any tires they come across have also been reported stolen. See, it's nothing but wins for the consumer!
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