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UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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This sounds like a misinterpretation. The OSA is primarily about making online service providers responsible for age verification, if they supply adult content. No different in principle from having to prove one's age to buy cigarettes, alcohol, knives, etc. No-one says "cigarettes are censored!", because, obviously, they're not. Same for adult content online. It can still be accessed, as long as proof of age is prov…

False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Without passing judgment on the act, this is incredibly misleading. I found the source of the original quotes[0], and they are taken quite out of context. From the article: >First, we are told, the relevant secretary of state (Michelle Donelan) expressed “concern” that the legislation might whack sites such as Amazon instead of Pornhub. In response, officials explained that the regulation in question was “not primari…

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj3l0e4vr0ko

I strongly suspect it's also meant to curtail growing support among youth for Palestine in the Israel/Gaza conflict.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/665564933022223

Essentially creating an internet for children/teens that echos the government narrative.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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post #4

This sounds like a misinterpretation. The OSA is primarily about making online service providers responsible for age verification, if they supply adult content. No different in principle from having to prove one's age to buy cigarettes, alcohol, knives, etc. No-one says "cigarettes are censored!", because, obviously, they're not. Same for adult content online. It can still be accessed, as long as proof of age is prov…

> obviously, they're not

No, you are just tracked when you access them - «cigarettes» being, of course, all """controversial""" expressions.

(Already putting children as an excuse for that...)

*** They have censored lobste.rs . The "for adults only site" lobste.rs ***

https://www.blocked.org.uk/osa-blocks

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Without passing judgment on the act, this is incredibly misleading. I found the source of the original quotes[0], and they are taken quite out of context. From the article: >First, we are told, the relevant secretary of state (Michelle Donelan) expressed “concern” that the legislation might whack sites such as Amazon instead of Pornhub. In response, officials explained that the regulation in question was “not primari…

This is unfortunately quite a common tactic being used by people opposed to the OSA. Recently there was an article in the i newspaper which claimed you have to show ID to order pizza online, and it's because of the OSA. Turns out their source was a misleading tweet by a political activist who had ordered from Deliveroo or similar and were seeing the usual message shown to people who order alcohol. Nothing to do with the OSA at all.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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post #14
post #4

This sounds like a misinterpretation. The OSA is primarily about making online service providers responsible for age verification, if they supply adult content. No different in principle from having to prove one's age to buy cigarettes, alcohol, knives, etc. No-one says "cigarettes are censored!", because, obviously, they're not. Same for adult content online. It can still be accessed, as long as proof of age is prov…

> obviously, they're not No, you are just tracked when you access them - «cigarettes» being, of course, all """controversial""" expressions. (Already putting children as an excuse for that...) *** They have censored lobste.rs . The "for adults only site" lobste.rs *** https://www.blocked.org.uk/osa-blocks

The owner of lobste.rs decided to censor lobste.rs. And then changed his mind. It's accessible from the UK as it was before.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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post #11
post #4

This sounds like a misinterpretation. The OSA is primarily about making online service providers responsible for age verification, if they supply adult content. No different in principle from having to prove one's age to buy cigarettes, alcohol, knives, etc. No-one says "cigarettes are censored!", because, obviously, they're not. Same for adult content online. It can still be accessed, as long as proof of age is prov…

False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

Not to take away from your general point (which I agree with), but that depends where local is.

> Identity technology used at a county's pubs and nightclubs since 2023 is to be extended for a further three years.

> Northamptonshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner (PFCC) Danielle Stone has agreed to provide funding to keep the scheme at 25 venues that open beyond 01:00.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm28lmk474o

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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For the Americans looking at this act, you're maybe putting it in the context of American politics and thinking who cares if the porn sites have my face or id.

But in the UK you can be arrested and jailed for saying something online that offends someone else.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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post #11
post #4

This sounds like a misinterpretation. The OSA is primarily about making online service providers responsible for age verification, if they supply adult content. No different in principle from having to prove one's age to buy cigarettes, alcohol, knives, etc. No-one says "cigarettes are censored!", because, obviously, they're not. Same for adult content online. It can still be accessed, as long as proof of age is prov…

False equivalence, the local pub doesn’t keep track of your identity.

Your local pub will have CCTV and some have names and photos of banned patrons behind the bar. Some bars and clubs have digital ID scanners upon entry.

Most online service providers who verify age are using third-party suppliers who don't provide any details of one's identity, just whether the user has been age verified or not. And much of that is done by recording a selfie, not handing over identity documents.

Re: UK government states that 'safety' act is about influence over public discourse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not what it’s primarily about, but is the more visible aspect. Lots of the rest is ensuring moderation and the like is supported, scanning for csam, etc. where the risks are higher.

I see much of the rest of it as being similar to alcohol licensing laws. Pubs and bars have restrictions on how they operate, for the good of the community and society.

Now picture the profiles of those who would present a document to enter a pub, and picture the profiles of those who would present a document to access a forum.
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