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Scapegoating the Algorithm

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Re: Scapegoating the Algorithm

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America has been in a class war since the beginning. It just refuses to call it that.

Yet each time it plays out on the battlefield of truth: who gets to decide what's real? Each era has its own aristocracy - who produces knowledge, and clergy disseminating knowledge and legitimizing who gets to produce it.

Phase One: 1770s

The fight was colonial gentry vs. hereditary nobility. Knowledge still lived with the elite, but it was anti-hereditary elite. Thomas Paine writes Common Sense. Not just your uncle's holiday rant, but part of Scottish Realism. "Self-evident" meant truths visible to anyone, no credentials required.

Phase Two: 1820s–1830s

Jacksonian democracy recasts the conflict: common man vs. entrenched elites in law, banking, and bureaucracy. Aristocracy = lawyers, bankers, judges. Clergy = newspapers and journalists. Populist epistemology: trust your own judgment; they're out of touch.

Phase Three: Mid-20th Century

Cold War era crowns scientists, engineers, policy wonks as aristocracy. Broadcasting elites as clergy legitimize the scientific consensus. Main Street is now the beacon of folk wisdom.

Phase Four: 2000s

Old media's monopoly dies. The internet gives Main Street a megaphone as loud as any newsroom. The Reformation comes again. Swap religion for epistemology, the printing press for the internet. When the epistemic monopoly falls, chaos follows until a new regime of knowledge stabilizes.

Let's face it, putting the genie back in the bottle isn't an option. Either we reconstitute the aristocracy under a new, still-undefined regime, or we solve the class problem so there's no aristocracy left to legitimize. Pick one. Then ask yourself what that choice means for what happens next.

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I see a lot of intelligent people underestimating the impact of things like propaganda and advertising. The author is wrong about psychology: people are generally not savvy information consumers. They mostly converge on the average of what they see around them. Cult leaders use this to their advantage by removing people from family and non-biased sources of information. The human brain acclimates and it's hard to bre…

The last company I worked at gave us all macbooks. I noticed every few days it put an article titled something like "maybe its your parents holding you back" in the sidebar. This seems to be the default configuration on OSX. I'm surprised anyone tolerates this, if I found something like that in my house on my own equipment it would go strait in the trash.

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I dunno. Things seem a lot dumber since social media, but I guess it is possible that the same dumbness is just being broadcast wider now that there aren’t any gatekeepers, I guess.

It's a feedback loop that legitimizes dumbness. 40 years ago, the area 51 guy got laughed at in the bar and he stopped talking about it. Now they can all find each other and jerk each other off.

Re: Scapegoating the Algorithm

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America has been in a class war since the beginning. It just refuses to call it that. Yet each time it plays out on the battlefield of truth: who gets to decide what's real? Each era has its own aristocracy - who produces knowledge, and clergy disseminating knowledge and legitimizing who gets to produce it. Phase One: 1770s The fight was colonial gentry vs. hereditary nobility. Knowledge still lived with the elite, b…

All societies have elites, you can't eliminate that. What you want are societies where the elite's interests and the people's interests are aligned.

EDIT: meh. At least aristocracies typically had a connection with the people and tended to not openly attack them or their culture.

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post #15

America has been in a class war since the beginning. It just refuses to call it that. Yet each time it plays out on the battlefield of truth: who gets to decide what's real? Each era has its own aristocracy - who produces knowledge, and clergy disseminating knowledge and legitimizing who gets to produce it. Phase One: 1770s The fight was colonial gentry vs. hereditary nobility. Knowledge still lived with the elite, b…

All societies have elites, you can't eliminate that. What you want are societies where the elite's interests and the people's interests are aligned. EDIT: meh. At least aristocracies typically had a connection with the people and tended to not openly attack them or their culture.

So you have chosen aristocracy. The average inter-aristocracy interval is 417 years +/- 196. See you again in approximately the mid 25th century give or take a few.

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I dunno. Things seem a lot dumber since social media, but I guess it is possible that the same dumbness is just being broadcast wider now that there aren’t any gatekeepers, I guess.

It's a feedback loop that legitimizes dumbness. 40 years ago, the area 51 guy got laughed at in the bar and he stopped talking about it. Now they can all find each other and jerk each other off.

That and grifters now have a megaphone to take advantage of said dumbasses.

Re: Scapegoating the Algorithm

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I see a lot of intelligent people underestimating the impact of things like propaganda and advertising. The author is wrong about psychology: people are generally not savvy information consumers. They mostly converge on the average of what they see around them. Cult leaders use this to their advantage by removing people from family and non-biased sources of information. The human brain acclimates and it's hard to bre…

People who doubt the impact of propaganda need to explain how Google and Facebook bring in a hundred billion in revenue cash each quarter.

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How come the explanations offered for declining trust in media never seem to include the media demonstrably, provably getting things wrong in a way that logically ought to weaken trust?

Re: Scapegoating the Algorithm

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post #15

America has been in a class war since the beginning. It just refuses to call it that. Yet each time it plays out on the battlefield of truth: who gets to decide what's real? Each era has its own aristocracy - who produces knowledge, and clergy disseminating knowledge and legitimizing who gets to produce it. Phase One: 1770s The fight was colonial gentry vs. hereditary nobility. Knowledge still lived with the elite, b…

All societies have elites, you can't eliminate that. What you want are societies where the elite's interests and the people's interests are aligned. EDIT: meh. At least aristocracies typically had a connection with the people and tended to not openly attack them or their culture.

Classes are defined by their differing and opposing interests. By definition then, there can be no alignment between them. Capital owners want more labor for less capital, workers want more capital for less labor.
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