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OpenAI Burns the Boats

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Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

#11

I don't know where the author gets his information. The GPT-5 is not on par with Claude Opus. It's still cheaper than Sonnet, but certainly not by 10x. Sonnet, arguably, is still better than GPT-5, although not by much and not in all circumstances. I read analysis that GPT-5 is better at debugging (super important) and following exact instructions (many people don't quite know what they are asking for anyway, so this…

"I don't know where the author gets his information."

Same place that told them parking was free at Disney?

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

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post #3

I don’t think that saying means what you think it does. Also I have not seen any evidence that OpenAI is pivoting to advertising. And even if they did I’m doubtful that advertising would pay the bills. This is one of the reasons Google did not originally pursue LLMs despite having the technology.

The unit economics of inference are incredibly good.

To be profitable, OpenAI would need to be 1/10th as good as Meta or Google are at monetizing via ads.

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

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post #11

I don't know where the author gets his information. The GPT-5 is not on par with Claude Opus. It's still cheaper than Sonnet, but certainly not by 10x. Sonnet, arguably, is still better than GPT-5, although not by much and not in all circumstances. I read analysis that GPT-5 is better at debugging (super important) and following exact instructions (many people don't quite know what they are asking for anyway, so this…

"I don't know where the author gets his information." Same place that told them parking was free at Disney?

Yeah parking is $30/day at the theme parks: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/parking/

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

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I don't know where the author gets his information. The GPT-5 is not on par with Claude Opus. It's still cheaper than Sonnet, but certainly not by 10x. Sonnet, arguably, is still better than GPT-5, although not by much and not in all circumstances. I read analysis that GPT-5 is better at debugging (super important) and following exact instructions (many people don't quite know what they are asking for anyway, so this…

The citation is right there in the article:

> source: i made it up

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't know where the author gets his information." Same place that told them parking was free at Disney?

Yeah parking is $30/day at the theme parks: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/parking/

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Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

#16

I don't know where the author gets his information. The GPT-5 is not on par with Claude Opus. It's still cheaper than Sonnet, but certainly not by 10x. Sonnet, arguably, is still better than GPT-5, although not by much and not in all circumstances. I read analysis that GPT-5 is better at debugging (super important) and following exact instructions (many people don't quite know what they are asking for anyway, so this…

The citation is right there in the article: > source: i made it up

Nice. I seem to have missed this particular citation. :-)

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

#17
The reality is that cloud and AI model serving has become a race to the bottom. Top models are increasingly similar in capabilities, so price, not features, has become the main differentiator.

OpenAI’s key move was to put its thinking capability behind a router, making it automatic and optional. This allows the system to use more expensive reasoning only when needed, reducing average serving costs.

They're clearly doing the right thing -- the router approach, in principle, will lower their costs while maintaining roughly the same quality.

Of all things, this benefits OpenAI's bottomline. It isn't necessarily an attack on Antropic or Google Gemini.

It's just inference costs slowly becoming "too cheap to meter", while user experience vastly improving thanks to reduced latency for easier-to-answer prompts.

It's a win for OpenAI (lower cost). It's a win for chatgpt users (lower latency and better model for the free tier). And stronger competition for anyone else, which eventually benefits everyone.

FYI, you can get a glimpse of the current AI-model market share here: https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=week

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

#18

The lack of capitalization is not only making this hard to read, but it makes the author seem like they don’t really value their own words. If they don’t care, why would I care as a reader? Also burning the boats means committing to something, without a way to get out of it. The article doesn’t seem to be about that.

I think the "burning the boats" action is releasing very low API pricing. Once consumers see the lower price they would balk if it was raised back up enough to provide some margin on inference. So the article is saying OpenAI won't have a way to switch back to profit from inferences.

Re: OpenAI Burns the Boats

#20

Had to give up on this due to lack of capitalization. How f**ing hard is it to format this properly? Why is "small caps" becoming a stylistic choice

Presumably either deference or satire in writing an article about OpenAI using Sam's writing style. Personally it makes Sam seem like one of the least intelligent business leaders, but maybe not hip enough to get it.
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