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Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by swinglock »

balou23 wrote: post #8
swinglock wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't require it myself but that's a concern, it's nice to have. Maybe someone can build an editor that uses different fonts within one file instead of different colors. Could be something out there for color blind folks already, though seeing no colors at all is unusual. But e-ink has grayscales so you could at least make comments a bit lighter, I think I'd be happy with that.

There's plenty of options available. A coworker of mine used to print out code for reviews. You can use italic, bold and underline as alternative to colors. Grayscale might work nicely for eInk too - for laser printers just thin/regular/bold probably works better. Other fonts... I could see myself being distracted by changing fonts in a document, except maybe for comment blocks. But for those italic/thin seems to wor…

I like your idea better.

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by dspillett »

b112 wrote: post #6
sandos wrote: post #2

It seems to update fast, but with significant ghosting, right? Looking at the cat example. Maybe this is just the best e-ink can do, and thats fine!

There's a lot better being done by Boox, and even with colour e-ink in terms of ghosting. I think a lot of that is software end, though. The one unfortunate thing is that this monitor seems to have a glossy screen, not matte, but maybe that's an additional layer over a dev kit? If this truly is 'open', then it should be trivial to write special X11/Wayland drivers for it, to handle a lot of the ghosting issues at tha…

Another problem with Boox is the disregard of the requirements of the GPL family of licences. I've been interested in some of their devices but won't touch them due to that (and now due to the issue you stated - though I was unaware there was un-disablable “telemetry”, I'd have to look into that if they ever did something about the lack of GPL compliance).

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by dspillett »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #4
swinglock wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks amazing for e-ink. You'd probably don't want this for video anyway, besides it's not even in color. I'm impressed that it works at all. For a lot of work though it could be amazing, depending on your environment. Say you'd want to pop outside in the nice weather to do some programming. You quickly find why that wasn't as glamorous as you expected. But if you had a laptop with such a screen I would expect it…

What about syntax highlighting?

You have the option of a few greyscale levels, bold, pehaps italic, and depending on font maybe extra-bold and light. That should be enough for the essentials, though it will feel like a downgrade if you have got used to a richly colourful environment and rely on it for reasons other than liking it being pretty.

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by foolswisdom »

b112 wrote: post #6
sandos wrote: post #2

It seems to update fast, but with significant ghosting, right? Looking at the cat example. Maybe this is just the best e-ink can do, and thats fine!

There's a lot better being done by Boox, and even with colour e-ink in terms of ghosting. I think a lot of that is software end, though. The one unfortunate thing is that this monitor seems to have a glossy screen, not matte, but maybe that's an additional layer over a dev kit? If this truly is 'open', then it should be trivial to write special X11/Wayland drivers for it, to handle a lot of the ghosting issues at tha…

Can you tell us more about the phoning home?

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

#15

Post by exceptione »

Being Dutch I am proud to see NLNet and the EU financially supporting this project.

We deny ourselves so much progress by forcing smart individuals with a passion into conglomerates that are merely busy destroying competition. Small to medium sized organizations have the biggest potential for innovation, and look what two people even can do.

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by torium »

Not sure I understand what I'm looking at.

At 0:47, which one is the e-ink, left hand side or right hand side? Initially I thought the e-ink was on the left hand side, but it has SO MUCH GLARE.

Also on the intro at 0:10 you can see the glare move across as they tilt it.

More glare: 0:26 (left) 0:28 (top left).

I have an e-ink reader and it has zero glare. I read it on the beach as clearly as paper, I'm not exaggerating.

They've done the hardest part (the latency), how don't know how to explain fumbling this badly on the easy part. It shouldn't have glass in front!!

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by jzellis »

This would be absolutely amazing for a productivity device. I've rooted my Kindle Paperwhite and set it up with a terminal and used it to SSH into my laptop just to try it, but the latency makes it a bit irritating just to keep up with typing. To be able to use a fully graphical environment in e-paper, even in grayscale, would be amazing.

I built a cyberdeck that primarily uses a pair of XReal AR glasses as its display, but to have the option to use either those or this would be so awesome.

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by WillAdams »

jzellis wrote: post #17

This would be absolutely amazing for a productivity device. I've rooted my Kindle Paperwhite and set it up with a terminal and used it to SSH into my laptop just to try it, but the latency makes it a bit irritating just to keep up with typing. To be able to use a fully graphical environment in e-paper, even in grayscale, would be amazing. I built a cyberdeck that primarily uses a pair of XReal AR glasses as its displ…

Even without the advantages of e-ink, a display which one can view _anywhere_ is a compelling thing, which opens up a lot of possibilities --- my favourite Windows device was a Fujitsu Stylistic ST-4110 w/ a transflective LCD, which I used as my main computer, e-book reader, notepad (writing/drawing/annotating with a stylus), and map display when traveling.

The transflective display eliminated issues regarding reflection or the display getting washed out by even full, bright, direct sunlight (I would use it for reference material for building sand castles at the beach).

Unfortunately, transflective LCDs do _not_ showroom well (dim) and no one seemed willing to make the investment to show their capabilities (build a daylight-equivalent light booth on the store floor).

I keep eyeing a Daylight Computer, but these days, I just use a Kindle Scribe for reading and note-taking/sketching/reference, and I limit my activities when in full sun to those things which it can do well, changing location/finding shade when I need to do other things.

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by camgunz »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #4
swinglock wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks amazing for e-ink. You'd probably don't want this for video anyway, besides it's not even in color. I'm impressed that it works at all. For a lot of work though it could be amazing, depending on your environment. Say you'd want to pop outside in the nice weather to do some programming. You quickly find why that wasn't as glamorous as you expected. But if you had a laptop with such a screen I would expect it…

What about syntax highlighting?

I built a colorscheme for Vim [0] that is close to monochrome when I was worried about blue light (I've since had kids and now this kind of worry doesn't rate at all), and I basically use bold and highlights (I hate underlining, italics, and squiggles, but I think you can do all that too in the GUI version). I found it surprisingly usable.

[0]: https://github.com/camgunz/amber

Re: Modos Paper Monitor – Open-hardware e-paper monitor and dev kit

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Post by KolmogorovComp »

torium wrote: post #16

Not sure I understand what I'm looking at. At 0:47, which one is the e-ink, left hand side or right hand side? Initially I thought the e-ink was on the left hand side, but it has SO MUCH GLARE. Also on the intro at 0:10 you can see the glare move across as they tilt it. More glare: 0:26 (left) 0:28 (top left). I have an e-ink reader and it has zero glare. I read it on the beach as clearly as paper, I'm not exaggerati…

It’s obviously the left one. I don’t see much glare on it.
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